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I’ve always wondered why Malzahn lost his offense after 2013
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:33 pm
Malzahn always seemed to be at his best when just running the ball creatively and not falling in love with the pass. His offenses at Arkansas with dmac/Jones and at auburn with cam were incredibly efficient. I think his best offense may have been 2013 Auburn.
Why did he get away from just running a hurry up power option attack? He just seemed enamored with the pass after that and his offense became disjointed.
Why did he get away from just running a hurry up power option attack? He just seemed enamored with the pass after that and his offense became disjointed.
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:38 pm to Moustache
Lack of skill players for one.
Nick Marshall was born to run that offense.
Coupled with a slower evolution of defenses (player types and concepts) that eventually caught up with him, IMO.
Nick Marshall was born to run that offense.
Coupled with a slower evolution of defenses (player types and concepts) that eventually caught up with him, IMO.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:38 pm to Moustache
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Why did he get away from just running a hurry up power option attack?
"player safety"
ETA that rule change took away his mojo.
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:39 pm to MrAUTigers
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player safety" ETA that rule change took away his mojo.
What rule change?
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:44 pm to paperwasp
quote:No.
Lack of skill players for one.
Lack of a dual threat QB, but he lost his offense after 2014 for the most part. It’s no shock considering that’s when he tried to shift to a pro style QB.
After 2013, he still had guys like CJ Uzomah, Sammie Coates, Ricardo Louis, Darius Slayton, Duke Williams, etc
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:44 pm to Moustache
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What rule change?
The Little Nicky Bitch Rule
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:45 pm to Moustache
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What rule change?
I understood that the rule change facilitated that HUNH, not the other way around.
The "player safety" issue was a complaint, that led to "is this what we want football to be?" and then a change to similar concepts almost across the board — i.e, his offense was no longer quite so unique, and defenses were able to practice against it since most other offenses began to run variations themselves.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:45 pm to paperwasp
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Lack of skill players for one. Nick Marshall was born to run that offense. Coupled with a slower evolution of defenses (player types and concepts) that eventually caught up with him, IMO.
Auburn seemed to have some wrs and rbs who could get the job done.
Now QB was a major issue for him after Marshall left. Sean white, Jeremy johnson, and Jarrett stidham don’t fit his offensive scheme at all. Bo Nix was okay but he still slung the ball way too much and didn’t run the option.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:48 pm to Moustache
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What rule change?
The play is held up so D can sub when O subs. Gus ran players in and out and trapped D's for what he wanted. The D didn't have time to sub with the HUNH.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:48 pm to Moustache
The 2014 offense was special too. Obviously didn't run the ball as good as 2013, but Tre Mason and some of the OL we're gone, but that offense put up some points.
After Marshall left, for whatever reason, he tried to prove that he could win with a pocket QB. He got away from the thing that made his offense so good which was a spread power run offense. He went back to it a couple times after that, but he never had the QB to run it like Marshall and Cam could. But there were times he rode a hot RB until they gave out (see Kam Pettway and Kerryon Johnson in '15 and '17 respectively)
After Marshall left, for whatever reason, he tried to prove that he could win with a pocket QB. He got away from the thing that made his offense so good which was a spread power run offense. He went back to it a couple times after that, but he never had the QB to run it like Marshall and Cam could. But there were times he rode a hot RB until they gave out (see Kam Pettway and Kerryon Johnson in '15 and '17 respectively)
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:49 pm to TTsTowel
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No
Honestly you would know more about it than me, but agree to disagree, I guess.
Johnson, et al. led to a slow pace without consistency, because they were frequently substituting personnel (which allowed defenses to do so).
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:49 pm to Moustache
Not having a true dual threat QB and not being willing to run him.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:51 pm to MrAUTigers
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What rule change?
The play is held up so D can sub when O subs. Gus ran players in and out and trapped D's for what he wanted. The D didn't have time to sub with the HUNH.
This is the correct answer. You think players fake injuries now, it was bad back then before they were allowed to substitute.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:55 pm to MrAUTigers
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The play is held up so D can sub when O subs
Ahh, I forgot about that one.
It was first proposed in that era (2014-ish), but when was it actually passed and incorporated?
I remember there being a big controversy about it at the time.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:55 pm to Moustache
They still had a great offense in 2014 too, just the defense was horrible.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:01 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
To me it almost felt like Malzahn was trying to prove he wasn’t a gimmick and got away from what made him have some of the best offenses in the sec over his years at arky and auburn.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:12 pm to Moustache
his "He got hurt!" answer to a post-game reporter (whatever year that was) asking about one of his defensive players faking an injury, that was typical Gus throwing a temper tantrum because he was mad at the new rules allowing defensive players to substitute
Whatever year that was, that was the year that he was exposed, at least at Auburn, and that moment could actually be considered part of his turning point for being exposed
He was always a cheater, his entire life. It's all he's ever done. This is a guy who has sat up late at night from January through June figuring out ways to cheat.
I'm not joking when I say his dad was literally one of those coaches/organizers that cheated every way you can cheat in Little League baseball in Fort Smith and that's where Gus learned it. That's not a hypothetical. It's real
What is he good at? Taking the right job at the right time and poor mouthing to sportswriters who drink his Jim Jones koolaid, and he can recognzie which ones will
He stabbed Todd Graham in the back at Tulsa trying to get the HC job there, he got the AD fired at Arkansas State, probably trying to get that job just in case he didn't have a huge opportunity come along, it did, at Auburn, where he probably had already been back channeling behind Chizik's back with Auburn boosters.
why do I know all this?
1. I'm from Arkansas
2. I'm fascinated with studying narcissistic personalities, which he is
stories abound about his high school coaching days with boosters throwing backyard parties and kids from other NWA high schools were brought in to be recruited and stolen away
at Tulsa, he would keep throwing and scoring against weak teams to run his stats up, well into the 4th quarter. He inherited two great QB's and a good team from Steve Kragthorpe. He developed none of that shite.
I got plenty
hey Gus
Whatever year that was, that was the year that he was exposed, at least at Auburn, and that moment could actually be considered part of his turning point for being exposed
He was always a cheater, his entire life. It's all he's ever done. This is a guy who has sat up late at night from January through June figuring out ways to cheat.
I'm not joking when I say his dad was literally one of those coaches/organizers that cheated every way you can cheat in Little League baseball in Fort Smith and that's where Gus learned it. That's not a hypothetical. It's real
What is he good at? Taking the right job at the right time and poor mouthing to sportswriters who drink his Jim Jones koolaid, and he can recognzie which ones will
He stabbed Todd Graham in the back at Tulsa trying to get the HC job there, he got the AD fired at Arkansas State, probably trying to get that job just in case he didn't have a huge opportunity come along, it did, at Auburn, where he probably had already been back channeling behind Chizik's back with Auburn boosters.
why do I know all this?
1. I'm from Arkansas
2. I'm fascinated with studying narcissistic personalities, which he is
stories abound about his high school coaching days with boosters throwing backyard parties and kids from other NWA high schools were brought in to be recruited and stolen away
at Tulsa, he would keep throwing and scoring against weak teams to run his stats up, well into the 4th quarter. He inherited two great QB's and a good team from Steve Kragthorpe. He developed none of that shite.
I got plenty
hey Gus
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:16 pm to Moustache
quote:He didn't lose anything.
I’ve always wondered why Malzahn lost his offense after 2013
SEC defensive coordinators figured out his offense. Once they figured out the what and how of his offense. They figured out the what and how to stop it.
Those boys get paid a lot of money for a reason.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:16 pm to Moustache
He didn’t. The 2014 offense was statistically better. Just not as run heavy because Marshall passed more
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:19 pm to Moustache
He had it in 14' also. The Offense put 630 yards on Bama that year that was controlled by Saban and Kirby. Gus 's biggest problem was developing a QB. He was too proud to hire a real QB Coach and let the OC call plays. Just look a Nix this year.
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