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Posted on 6/22/21 at 9:23 am to pvilleguru
Times, they are a changin.
Justice Kavanaugh said specifically, "The NVCAA business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America." That strongly suggests that any student/player lawsuit has been won before it sees the inside of a courtroom.
I remember when Julio Jones and Mark Ingram mistakenly got caught up with a non booster who offered to take them on a fishing trip. The guy had no idea who they were and offered to take them because he physically couldn't go by himself. The NCAA ruled they were ineligible until they repay the value of the fishing trip. How many sports fans would be sad to see this trivial nonsense bite the bullet?
Justice Kavanaugh said specifically, "The NVCAA business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America." That strongly suggests that any student/player lawsuit has been won before it sees the inside of a courtroom.
I remember when Julio Jones and Mark Ingram mistakenly got caught up with a non booster who offered to take them on a fishing trip. The guy had no idea who they were and offered to take them because he physically couldn't go by himself. The NCAA ruled they were ineligible until they repay the value of the fishing trip. How many sports fans would be sad to see this trivial nonsense bite the bullet?
Posted on 6/22/21 at 9:25 am to tygerphan
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Self above all is our new world.
Self above high school sports? Absolutely.
If you want athletics to be your career, then you have to treat it like it is.
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 9:28 am
Posted on 6/22/21 at 9:28 am to bamameister
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That strongly suggests that any student/player lawsuit has been won before it sees the inside of a courtroom.
Cases probably won’t be retried based on a concurrence or dicta from the SCOTUS but it does set the tone that all cases prior ruled in favor of the NCAA probably aren’t going to hold up as part of a defense in current and future litigation. In other words, this won’t unfrick the past but it certainly fricks the NCAA now and moving forward. They have to evolve with the quickness or settle for going extinct.
And to be clear, we need rules and order in college sports. But it has to fit the current climate and needs/rights of the member programs AND their athletes. The NCAA disappearing entirely isn’t an ideal outcome. Rather, the NCAA needs to be reimagined (and for the love of God get Mark Emmert the frick out of there)
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 9:29 am
Posted on 6/22/21 at 9:30 am to 1badboy
The majority of colleges and universities in America are operating their athletic departments at a deficit. I read an article last year many smaller schools have dropped sports and many more were considering it. Now with the advent of pay-for-play coming at least 75% of all colleges and universities will not be able to field sports teams any longer. It will all boil down to the major conferences that negotiate big television contracts - probably 50 to 100 teams. The rest will simply fade away.
This will also have a profound affect on high school and preparatory schools athletics. More kids may want to play with payola awaiting them in college if they can cut it.
This will also have a profound affect on high school and preparatory schools athletics. More kids may want to play with payola awaiting them in college if they can cut it.
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 9:34 am
Posted on 6/22/21 at 9:36 am to pioneerbasketball
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Who works for free?
College students work on research projects for grades and don't get paid. Companies and professors benefit greatly and no one has a problem with it. Many of them do the heavy lifting as well.
What is in play here is apprenticeship and learning a skill or set of skills, which has gone on forever. The young strong backs do the heavy lifting and the older folks are the brains of the outfit. You work your way up. but now folks don't want to wait and they want to cut the brains out. Only a matter of time before it fails under it's own top heavy weight with no foundation.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 9:39 am to bamameister
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Justice Kavanaugh said specifically, "The NVCAA business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America."
I love how no one has pointed out the irony of the Supreme Court telling someone else that their model is the exception, when the Supreme Court has no equal. They are basically running the country now from the bench. A bunch of fricking lawyers who have never been elected to anything.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 9:47 am to tylerdurden24
Justice Kavanaugh did speak about the non-Lamborghini rule. Schools aren't going to throw stupid money at student-athletes under the guise of "education." Internships and nice laptops aren't going to be enough to drive the elite recruit to a particular school.
Big business will still play a much greater role in the wealth of student-athletes. The NCAA still has a lot to define in this new era.
Big business will still play a much greater role in the wealth of student-athletes. The NCAA still has a lot to define in this new era.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 9:53 am to bigDgator
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I love how no one has pointed out the irony of the Supreme Court telling someone else that their model is the exception, when the Supreme Court has no equal. They are basically running the country now from the bench. A bunch of fricking lawyers who have never been elected to anything.
Because unlike anything else, the Supreme Court is tasked by Article III of the US constitution to serve as the ultimate arbiter of cases in dispute. They’re literally not meant to have an equal, if it gets to them it’s because multiple courts have already tried the case and a final decision is needed.
Mind you, the NCAA asked for this ruling. The fricking NCAA called down this thunder and got it. All the SCOTUS did was hold up the argument against Antitrust Law and say “what the frick are y’all even talking about, you’re clearly a business and not entitled to some inherent exemption from the law”
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 9:56 am
Posted on 6/22/21 at 9:55 am to bigDgator
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A bunch of fricking lawyers who have never been elected to anything.
Yea, Article III of the Constitution is a real bitch!
Posted on 6/22/21 at 9:58 am to TrendingRight
The problem here really ISN'T the NCAA. It's the NFL and the NBA. The fact that the players association for each leauge doesn't allow players to go pro after high school has created $$$ issues for the highest profile athletes.
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 10:00 am
Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:02 am to Lonnie Utah
Both the NBA and NFL wish for the college to be the proving grounds for both of them without incurring the expense.
Maybe some of the HS players will take them to court with a similar plan as this one. If the NCAA can't hide then neither should those two organizations.
Maybe some of the HS players will take them to court with a similar plan as this one. If the NCAA can't hide then neither should those two organizations.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:03 am to Lonnie Utah
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It's the NFL and the NBA. The fact that the players association for each leauge doesn't allow players to go pro after high school has created $$$ issues for the highest profile athletes.
The NBA has the G-league all ready and waiting for the next legend in their own mind. Just go already. If a high school football player thinks he's ready for the NFL he should look at some old video of Evil Knievel trying to jump the Grand Canyon.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:05 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Both the NBA and NFL wish for the college to be the proving grounds for both of them without incurring the expense.
Maybe some of the HS players will take them to court with a similar plan as this one. If the NCAA can't hide then neither should those two organizations.
As has already been stated in this thread, the issue here is not paying athletes. It's coming up with a fair compensation plan for said athletes. And if you remove the top tier athletes from the equation and allow them to go pro out of high school, that significantly adjusts the affordability curve in favor of the schools.
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 10:06 am
Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:07 am to TrendingRight
quote:^^^ posted by Bama fan
The reason we're here and what we love is gone. The NFL just got some real competition. Amateurism is no longer a real thing.
:irony:
Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:13 am to TrendingRight
When do we pick up our "Greatest of All Time" trophy?
Now that its over, there is no debate on the mater.
Now that its over, there is no debate on the mater.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:27 am to GoT1de
In 2 years this stuff isn't even coming up. The learning curve will favor the football programs that have won in every era of the sport. You still have to want to win and be willing to do what it takes.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:46 am to tylerdurden24
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Because unlike anything else, the Supreme Court is tasked by Article III of the US constitution to serve as the ultimate arbiter of cases in dispute. They’re literally not meant to have an equal, if it gets to them it’s because multiple courts have already tried the case and a final decision is needed.
Mind you, the NCAA asked for this ruling. The fricking NCAA called down this thunder and got it. All the SCOTUS did was hold up the argument against Antitrust Law and say “what the frick are y’all even talking about, you’re clearly a business and not entitled to some inherent exemption from the law”
Ah yes the good ol' Anti-trust laws. So baseball can be exempt from this but the NCAA cannot? Seems a little off to me.
The point is Cavanaugh pointed out that the NCAA doesn't deserve special treatment when they absolutely do. Beside that, the SC is just as corrupt as the Legislative and Executive branches now. All 3 branches of government trample the fricking constitution on a weekly if not daily basis.
Would it kill them to declare the NCAA exempt from Anti-trust laws just like baseball? No but you can't go against the minorities on anything any longer.
It is what it is. The progs will steal a golden goose and then kill it like they always do, because they are consumers and not producers.
Sorry I said progs but I meant lawyers. Same difference.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:48 am to bigDgator
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Would it kill them to declare the NCAA exempt from Anti-trust laws just like baseball?
Baseball's exemption should be ripped to shreds.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:50 am to bamameister
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The learning curve will favor the football programs that have won in every era of the sport.
Of course it will, but what happens to the smaller schools that give scholarships to kids that maybe just below major conference standards. They won't be able to afford to even have sports and therefore a lot of kids won't be able to have the schooling paid for by the sport they love to play.
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