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re: Is Les Miles as good of a football coach as Nick Saban?
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:57 pm to MSHawg1
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:57 pm to MSHawg1
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Is Les Miles as good of a football coach as Nick Saban?
Lmfao. No.
Les was a good coach. Not great. Good.
Saban is arguably the greatest college coach of all time and it kills me to say that.
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:00 pm to wadewilson
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Say what you want, but Saban walked into a loaded roster.
Talent is only part of it though. I am not saying Saban was left with a bare talentless roster or anything. But he took over a program that had, what....3 winning seasons in 10 years? Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not entirely sure. You have to change the attitude or mindset of a program as well. Les took over a program that had seen success in the recent years.
I dont intend to discredit miles or anything. He was a great coach. You don't win a national championship if you're a bad coach(unless you're gene chizik)
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:20 pm to bamaboy87
The 90's were really bad. Saban turned the program around, and in 18 years, LSU hasn't fallen off the ledge.
Saban started it, no doubt.
Saban also wasn't as good at LSU as he has been for the past 10 years.
Saban started it, no doubt.
Saban also wasn't as good at LSU as he has been for the past 10 years.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:22 pm to wadewilson
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Saban also wasn't as good at LSU as he has been for the past 10 years.
No argument here.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:56 pm to ItchyandScratchy
quote:Take off the fanboy glasses and look at the schemes.
Saban has 6 National Titles. Les has 1 (with 2 losses). This isn't a discussion.
Saban and Miles won at about the same level when they were at equal progams, but they did it differently. Saban focused on complex defenses and a solid, conservative offense. Miles wanted to shove his fist up your arse on offense. The ONLY team that stopped him was Alabama.
You give him Alabama resources and players, and he sets college offense back to the days before the forward pass. Probably has teams averaging 300 yds rushing, with opposing defenses praying he'd call a pass just so they'd stop being pounded.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:29 pm to bamaboy87
You and I aren't arguing on anything.
Cheers
Cheers
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:32 pm to wadewilson
I meant no argument from me on that statement. I agree completely. Posted on 1/18/19 at 12:15 am to wadewilson
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Say what you want, but Saban walked into a loaded roster.
Not a single player off Saban"s 2007 team was drafted in the 2008 draft.
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 12:17 am
Posted on 1/18/19 at 12:41 am to KingOfTheWorld
quote:That comment was in response to what Saban did at LSU.quote:
Say what you want, but Saban walked into a loaded roster.
Not a single player off Saban"s 2007 team was drafted in the 2008 draft.
Miles gets undercut a lot, people say he simply took over what Saban built, whereas Saban "had to build the program" at LSU.
But LSU wasn't barren when he came, it was just horribly coached on defense (Lou Tepper and the Drop Linebacker).
Posted on 1/18/19 at 12:52 am to MSHawg1
Les was a very good coach and people forget that because he started to lay an egg his last two years at LSU
Posted on 1/18/19 at 1:09 am to MSHawg1
You were actually making some ok points till this.
Then you went all LSU coonass on us
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(media bias, Birmingham bias, open cheating against Auburn, etc
Then you went all LSU coonass on us
Posted on 1/18/19 at 1:14 am to wadewilson
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Les is criminally underrated.
That said, he was trending downward just as Saban was hitting his stride.
Les was very good. Saban is the best there's been yet.
So how come Kansas was the best job he could get?
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:39 am to RD Dawg
quote:Honest answer,
So how come Kansas was the best job he could get?
it's not the coaching, it's the commitment.
When he left LSU he said he had no regrets, and that his two dreams were to coach and to act. He reached the pinnacle as a coach.
He's currently 65, and regarding acting- we might laugh about the Dos Equis ads, and the Dr Pepper ads. But Miles now has an IMDB page, and he's got credits in several independent films.
Has a fairly big role in The Challenger Disaster. Seems to have a pretty big role in The Last Whistle, and if you check that film's website, they also say Miles was an invaluable consultant behind the camera (it's a movie about a football player who collapses at practice).
There's another film in pre-production that he's listed in. These are small films, but his name is near the top of the credits- so he's not just an extra.
Does that sound like his heart is really in football anymore?
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:43 am to LSUdude247
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He was a great coach but the game was catching up to his old offense. If he would've adapted he would still be our head coach now but he didn't.
yea. Saban adapted and kept dominating. Les didnt.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:55 am to RogerTempleton
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Sounds like Miles is probably more focused on acting than on coaching, at this point in his life.
Sounds like Miles is probably more focused on acting than on coaching, at this point in his life.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 11:04 am to MSHawg1
Miles was a great recruiter, ambassador for the university and overall a likeable guy.
He was a horrible game day coach. Especially with clock management.
2008 ruined him with trust in Qbs and he relied on defense and special teams entirely too much in his last few years
He was a horrible game day coach. Especially with clock management.
2008 ruined him with trust in Qbs and he relied on defense and special teams entirely too much in his last few years
Posted on 1/18/19 at 11:06 am to MSHawg1
What did each one inherit?
Posted on 1/18/19 at 11:13 am to skrayper
Saban inherited a Corvette that needed a tune up, and he's a helluva mechanic.
Miles then inherited a Ferrari that just needed a driver, and he's a decent wheel man
Miles then inherited a Ferrari that just needed a driver, and he's a decent wheel man
Posted on 1/18/19 at 12:08 pm to ItchyandScratchy
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Not even in the same stratosphere.
I never stop learning things here. I always thought there was only one stratosphere.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 12:16 pm to MSHawg1
Made me laugh...
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