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re: Is Defensive decline unavoidable?
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:01 pm to dawgfan24348
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:01 pm to dawgfan24348
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Georgia they haven't allowed a rushing TD all season
Clyde #22 gets 3 in Atlanta. Book it.
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Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:02 pm to Wtxtiger
Doubt it
But Burrow will have 4 passing and another scamper for a TD
But Burrow will have 4 passing and another scamper for a TD
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:02 pm to r2d2
things that could swing the game back in the other direction
eliminate rpo blocking downfield
eliminate check with me on offense. once the o lines up, they can't move. if they move before they snap, false start. huge advantage for the o over the d. they get to survey the d from the booth, send formation/personnel to the field, signal to skill players. that's massive.
call rub routes/picks tighter
pet peeves:
offsetting unequal penalties. my gosh that is so stupid
points from kicking. eliminate fg's. they are ghey and weak
if you get an offense penalty and the yardage can't be marked off, safety. none of this half the distance crap.
eliminate rpo blocking downfield
eliminate check with me on offense. once the o lines up, they can't move. if they move before they snap, false start. huge advantage for the o over the d. they get to survey the d from the booth, send formation/personnel to the field, signal to skill players. that's massive.
call rub routes/picks tighter
pet peeves:
offsetting unequal penalties. my gosh that is so stupid
points from kicking. eliminate fg's. they are ghey and weak
if you get an offense penalty and the yardage can't be marked off, safety. none of this half the distance crap.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:02 pm to RTR2015
That guy is going to have a better season next year than Young. Young will be a true freshman and all your wideouts are gone.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:04 pm to Gatorbait2008
quote:This.
The rules continue to help offense so it's likely.
You so much as breathe on a QB after he releases the ball and you’re flagged for targeting and thrown out the game.
No more crushing blows on receivers to separate them from the ball.
If a DB so much as lays a hand on a receiver, pass interference.
But, these new RPO offenses are very effective at exposing weaknesses in defenses. And the QB’s and receivers only need a tiny window to complete passes.
It amazes me how DB’s can have great, tight coverage on receivers and they still make a great throw and catch. Being a DB is easily the most difficult defensive position to play.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:06 pm to Sun God
Clyde is gonna rock their world. If he can spin his way to 4 in Bryant Denny, he can in Atlanta.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:16 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Not when the QB is already in the shotgun and can get rid of the ball quickly. The offense usually has 5 or 6 to block 4.
The only way to really stop these offenses when they’re playing well is with a huge pass rush from your front 4
Blitzes from the edge by DB’s or up the gut from LB’s are sometimes the only way to pressure the QB.
And good QB’s can make you pay for it if you don’t get them quick enough.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:25 pm to DeathByTossDive225
quote:This.
Even when teams do good things against LSU, Burrow extends the play or picks up 4-? yards on the ground.
With this offense, even when we’re 3rd and long, I’m like, “This ain’t shite. Joe got this.” And he almost always does. 3rd and 10, boom, slant to Jefferson for 12. They make it look easy.
This RPO offense puts so much pressure on the defense. They just always look confused and have no idea what’s coming next. It’s beautiful.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:30 pm to r2d2
Great discussion in this thread.
To the OP's question, maybe.
Seems like the football pendulum has certainly swung the offense's way. But beyond the rules, offenses are more diverse and exotic and creative than they were in the past such that it's really hard to engineer a defense that can handle them all across a season.
Bama has about as much offensive weaponry as any team in CFB history and our D held it's own for one half (so it can be done but all Hades broke loose in the 3rd qtr).
To the OP's question, maybe.
Seems like the football pendulum has certainly swung the offense's way. But beyond the rules, offenses are more diverse and exotic and creative than they were in the past such that it's really hard to engineer a defense that can handle them all across a season.
Bama has about as much offensive weaponry as any team in CFB history and our D held it's own for one half (so it can be done but all Hades broke loose in the 3rd qtr).
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:39 pm to r2d2
Good discussion in this thread but it makes me sad. There is nothing I love to watch more than a suffocating, punishing defense and it’s not close.
The two years before this past one for OM were the most miserable I’ve ever been because we had the worst defenses of all time, even though we had awesome offenses (except in the red zone). I even enjoy this year’s team more even though our O and pass D are putrid, just because our front 7 is actually putting some effort.
The two years before this past one for OM were the most miserable I’ve ever been because we had the worst defenses of all time, even though we had awesome offenses (except in the red zone). I even enjoy this year’s team more even though our O and pass D are putrid, just because our front 7 is actually putting some effort.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:42 pm to EricZeier
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I don’t see it changing back. WRs no longer have to worry about being lit up over the middle. QBs are more protected than ever. Not to mention that holding is so prevalent it’s just laughable.
+eleventy billion
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:42 pm to VABuckeye
It always matters who you play.
Espcially in a sport where there is not a lot of parity, and small data samples.
Look at Maryland
You held them to 14
thats 14 points below their season average
Its 1.3 points above their average vs teams with winning records.
I think Ohio State is a VERY good team.
But do you think it is more likely that 5 of the top 11 defenses are from the Big 10 because the Big 10 is just so dominant at defense or because there is maybe 1 good offense in the whole conference, and Ohio State doesn't have to play them outside of practice.
Espcially in a sport where there is not a lot of parity, and small data samples.
Look at Maryland
You held them to 14
thats 14 points below their season average
Its 1.3 points above their average vs teams with winning records.
I think Ohio State is a VERY good team.
But do you think it is more likely that 5 of the top 11 defenses are from the Big 10 because the Big 10 is just so dominant at defense or because there is maybe 1 good offense in the whole conference, and Ohio State doesn't have to play them outside of practice.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:44 pm to FredBear
The thing about the run and shoot is that once they figured out the option routes, it was easy for the defense to take away the options.
These new offenses change the game completely. It’s like they’ve taken principles of the run and shoot, air raid, and spread option and combined them into one offense.
These new offenses change the game completely. It’s like they’ve taken principles of the run and shoot, air raid, and spread option and combined them into one offense.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:45 pm to Gatorbait2008
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LSU only scored 23 cause Auburn tailored to contain it. Maybe that game tape is used to negate that style some.
One thing is for sure. If you cant generate pressure, you cant stop that kind of offense
Auburn has the perfect defense to slow these offenses down. Generational talent on the DL and have a special day making tackles in open space.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:56 pm to r2d2
I think the spread/tempo offenses are starting to create something of a vicious cycle as more and more teams start to move that direction.
When one team is spreading it out and running tempo, it leads to higher scores for a few reasons:
1. More plays per game with tempo/no huddle
2. Exhausts opposing defenses - especially LBs who have to spend more time running in coverage.
3. When tempo leads to faster scores or punts, it puts the spread team’s defense on the field sooner - wearing them out as well.
But when only one team is running an up-tempo spread style, the other team can still slow the pace of the game significantly if they run ball control. I think this is the biggest reason the SEC used to make fun of the Big 12 - Oklahoma would play an SEC team and end up in a 24-17 type of game because the SEC team would run ball control, limiting opposing possessions and keeping their defense fresh.
But when BOTH teams are running an up-tempo spread, all bets are off. Play counts go up on both sides, both defenses get gassed, and you end up with 85-90 total points. It’s a bit of a snowball effect and I think it’s making defenses across college football look worse than they really are.
When one team is spreading it out and running tempo, it leads to higher scores for a few reasons:
1. More plays per game with tempo/no huddle
2. Exhausts opposing defenses - especially LBs who have to spend more time running in coverage.
3. When tempo leads to faster scores or punts, it puts the spread team’s defense on the field sooner - wearing them out as well.
But when only one team is running an up-tempo spread style, the other team can still slow the pace of the game significantly if they run ball control. I think this is the biggest reason the SEC used to make fun of the Big 12 - Oklahoma would play an SEC team and end up in a 24-17 type of game because the SEC team would run ball control, limiting opposing possessions and keeping their defense fresh.
But when BOTH teams are running an up-tempo spread, all bets are off. Play counts go up on both sides, both defenses get gassed, and you end up with 85-90 total points. It’s a bit of a snowball effect and I think it’s making defenses across college football look worse than they really are.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:58 pm to antibarner
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IMO linebacker play is the key
gonna be all about that DL getting pressure with 4... thats what it will be about... thats why pass rushers are getting major bank in the NFL...
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:56 pm to r2d2
OSU is managing to play great on both sides of the line now. Last season Alabama and Clemson had both elite defenses and elite offenses.I do think it makes some difference when a team is geared to score quick though. Defenses don't have as much time to rest and there are more possessions which = more opportunities for offenses.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:57 pm to r2d2
A few rule changes to help defense at both levels would be welcomed.
In college: go to the NFL styled rule requiring 2 feet in bounds on receptions; quit stopping the clock after 1st downs; do away with allowing lineman to push running backs.
NFL: adopt the college rule that once you're down you're down; adopt the college PI penalty so no more spot foul.
In college: go to the NFL styled rule requiring 2 feet in bounds on receptions; quit stopping the clock after 1st downs; do away with allowing lineman to push running backs.
NFL: adopt the college rule that once you're down you're down; adopt the college PI penalty so no more spot foul.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:58 pm to lostinbr
Makes me think the next step is a ball control spread. Spread principles, efficient execution, but protecting your defense by slowing down the pace of play, especially when nursing a lead.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 9:11 am to Bill_M
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Defenses don't have as much time to rest and there are more possessions which = more opportunities for offenses.
Depth cures fatigue. Ohio State has played 13 defensive linemen all year long. It's amazing how much talent there is on that defensive line. Larry Johnson coaching them also helps a ton.
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