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re: Is Burrow better than Cam Newton?
Posted on 1/5/20 at 11:33 am to tigerinridgeland
Posted on 1/5/20 at 11:33 am to tigerinridgeland
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Last year he played in a offense with no spring practice, started the season without even knowing the names of many of his teammates, played under center, which was not his background, and still made major progress as the season developed
OK, so did Cam in 2010. He was a late arrival from Junior College, new coaches, unfamiliar teammates and a completely new offensive system. So look at what Cam did in his transition year versus Joe in his.
That's a critical fact that most people seem to be overlooking. Joe got a warm-up season leading to this year. Cam just completely balled out right from the start.
I admit the two players provide different skill sets and personalities so it is somewhat apples to oranges, but a more accurate comparison is to look at what they did at the same point in their careers. Cam could have come back for his senior year and dominated but he was so great that he was a lead pipe lock to be taken as the #1 pick. Joe had to develop and earn his draft grade over two seasons - and that was with a better cast of supporting talent and weapons at his disposal.
Or put another another way:
When Cam Newton was 21 years old, he had the greatest season a college quarterback has ever had and carried a roster of mediocre talent and a joke of a head coach to an undefeated season and a National Championship.
When Joe Borrow was 21, he was a third string QB sitting on the bench.
When Cam Newton was 22 years old, he started every game in the NFL passing for 4000 yards, rushing for 750 yards accounting for 35 TDs and single handedly turning the worst NFL franchise into a playoff contender while earning Rookie of the Year honors.
When Joe Burrow was 22 years old, he played in college, lost 3 games, struggled against some bad teams and didn't register as a blip on the All-SEC team, much less All America or Heisman honors.
There is a HUGE gap in the above. I'm not saying Joe won't wind up with a better career than Cam, but let's not get ahead of ourselves just because Brady blitzkrieged some overmatched defensive coordinators this year.
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Posted on 1/5/20 at 11:49 am to Cobb Dawg
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He has x1,000 better character. And, as far as I know, wasn’t paid hundreds of thousands to play
What does that have to do with character?
If your typical Chemistry Student had a chance to get paid $180K for taking their Chemistry exams they'd take that deal in a flash
How does getting paid ,when you are helping to generate millions for others mind you ,make you a person of poor character?
Posted on 1/5/20 at 11:51 am to PeeJayScammedGT
Thank you Cam Newton.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 1:47 pm to Cocotheape
How would anyone know this?
Yet, you answer no to Burrow and yes to Cam.
Burrow is on pace to finish the best passing season in college football history.
Go look at Cam’s stats: 86 yards passing against LSU. First SEC game of the year, 136 yards passing and 70 yards rushing in 3.9 ypc against Miss State. Plenty of examples throughout the season of a very average qb. His rushing totals against a few SEC opponents were impressive, but his best passing game was against Chattanooga. It’s not close.
Yet, you answer no to Burrow and yes to Cam.
Burrow is on pace to finish the best passing season in college football history.
Go look at Cam’s stats: 86 yards passing against LSU. First SEC game of the year, 136 yards passing and 70 yards rushing in 3.9 ypc against Miss State. Plenty of examples throughout the season of a very average qb. His rushing totals against a few SEC opponents were impressive, but his best passing game was against Chattanooga. It’s not close.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 1:49 pm to 3down10
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I'd take him over Newton. I bet Burrow would fall on a fumble.
I believe Burrow would fight a mother fricker for a fumble.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 1:55 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
No, cam had zero nfl talent on his team. It’s really not close
Posted on 1/5/20 at 2:06 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
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is he a better playmaker than Cam was in 2010?
Yes because his play made the players around him better. You can't say that for Newton's game.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 2:12 pm to Ponchy Tiger
actually you can, cams play made that whole team. Wtf are you talking about 
Posted on 1/5/20 at 2:15 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
Lol yes
Posted on 1/5/20 at 2:25 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Yes because his play made the players around him better. You can't say that for Newton's game
Remember when LSU was getting shredded by Cam, which allowed O McCaleb to take a jet sweep 80 yards to the house on LSU?
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Posted on 1/5/20 at 2:28 pm to Cocotheape
That was Cam’s best rushing game and he still only accounted for 303 total yards.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 2:29 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Yes because his play made the players around him better. You can't say that for Newton's game.
What?
Posted on 1/5/20 at 2:32 pm to easy money
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How would anyone know this?
Yet, you answer no to Burrow and yes to Cam.
It’s my opinion
How would Joe Burrow look throwing to future CFL receivers instead of NFL caliber guys? Would he be able to make the plays he needs to win, say outrunning PP7 for a TD, if his receivers couldn’t get open against superior talent? Joe has nearly an entire season of looking like a “very average” QB, yet you dismiss Cam because he took the first half of the season to get up to speed (and his play caller to realize that Cam was an unstoppable running force).
Joe is great, well deserved Heisman, best QB since Cam. I’ll take Cam, thanks.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 2:34 pm to easy money
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That was Cam’s best rushing game and he still only accounted for 303 total yards.
Puts up 303 yards on an elite defense, “only” lol
Posted on 1/5/20 at 2:38 pm to Cocotheape
Joe’s average season is almost identical to Cam’s best season ever passing. Cam ran for like 29 yards against Bama...that was at the end of the year. Joe’s best games have been against the toughest opponents and his consistency is why my opinion is that the two seasons we are comparing are not close.
Cam’s efficiency was so high off of play action because of his running ability. People know Joe is passing and can’t stop him. He’s better at every passing statistic possible. He does it mostly through pre snap reads.
My opinion is that it is not close. The leader of the best offensive season in SEC history is more impressive than a Cam led Auburn in 2010.
Cam’s efficiency was so high off of play action because of his running ability. People know Joe is passing and can’t stop him. He’s better at every passing statistic possible. He does it mostly through pre snap reads.
My opinion is that it is not close. The leader of the best offensive season in SEC history is more impressive than a Cam led Auburn in 2010.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 2:43 pm to AUFANATL
Why do you think Brady blitzkrieged defenses this year effectively this year? Do you think that those scrambles on which Burrow was so effective were planned by Brady? Yes, Burrow had an extra year, but that isn’t the question. He is still better than Cam, but it certainly can be seen as close. Running a Brady offense isn’t the same as running what Auburn ran.
A major reason that Burrow wasn’t a starter at OSU was that he broke his hand in spring practice.
A major reason that Burrow wasn’t a starter at OSU was that he broke his hand in spring practice.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 2:53 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
Cam physically dominated games. Burrow picks teams apart in the pocket. I think that Auburn team beats this years LSU team
Posted on 1/6/20 at 12:17 am to Tigerman97
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Thank you Cam Newton.
We’re thankful every day for $cam Newton, Nick “ the ultimate thug” Failey, Bobby “the swindler” Lowder, and Milt “moneybags” McGregor. They represent Auburn University.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 12:29 am to cyclingout
Don’t agree. LSU played Auburn under some poor field conditions this year which has some impact, and actually decided to forego field goals and went went on 4th down 3 times, mainly because the LSU coaches were convinced Auburn couldn’t sustain long drives. At least once, they held Auburn following a failed 4th down, forced a punt, and had a touchdown on the next possession. With a different Auburn offense, LSU takes the points and kicks. LSU is a quick strike team that few if any teams can match. But they can also slow it down. If Auburn with Cam is in a shootout with Burrow, Burrow wins. Cam’s Auburn would score, but LSU’s offensive game would also be different.
Burrow also picks apart teams when he is flushed out of the pocket. And he has picked up quite a few first downs with his feet. He’s not a Cam as a runner, but he is no statue.
Burrow also picks apart teams when he is flushed out of the pocket. And he has picked up quite a few first downs with his feet. He’s not a Cam as a runner, but he is no statue.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 12:37 am to Tjtennispro
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Joe Burrow isn’t even the best athlete on his team or player.
This is what the spread option has turned people perception of a QB into. QB has nothing to do with being the best athlete on your team. The best QB of all time are primarily passers. Running QBs have an extremely short half life and cannot continue to compete against NFL defenses for more than a handful of years.
You may want a mobile QB, but I'll pass on the running backs who try to become passers. Seen it too many times. Lamar Jackson will have a few amazing years running and if he is to remain a viable QB he will learn heavier on his arm.
Cam was special, but he wasn't even close to an all time QB at any point in his career. Once you tuck the ball and cross the LOS your a running back.
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