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re: Is Avery Johnson's contract really 6 years 18 million?

Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:12 am to
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:12 am to
They seem to love overpaying these coaches.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:13 am to
Why the hell does anyone care what Bama paid for a coach though? The money UA pays for athletics, coaching salaries, recruiting, facilities has absolutely nothing to do with any other program.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:13 am to
I did read it. And I don't think the outcome of Johnson's hire dictates if you overpaid. Someone with no college coaching experience and who was unemployed for nearly 3 years does not deserve 3M. I don't care if he wins the SEC in year one. Do that, then get a raise to 3M.
Posted by DBU
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:14 am to
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has absolutely nothing to do with any other program.


Except poor UAB apparently
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:14 am to
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quote: But it doesn't mean the initial salary wasn't an overpayment. It seems patently obvious that it is. Overpaying is paying more for something than you had to. You may not think Avery Johnson is worth $3 million a year and you may be right. That's a different question though. But if Johnson is who Battle wanted and that is what it took for him to say yes, then it is not an over payment. If Johnson comes out and says I would have taken the job for $2 million, then you could say its patently obvious that Alabama overpaid.

No. Almost of that is correct. You're making a guy with 0 college coaching experience one of the top 10 or 15 paid college coaches. It's patently absurd.
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:15 am to
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Why the hell does anyone care what Bama paid for a coach though? The money UA pays for athletics, coaching salaries, recruiting, facilities has absolutely nothing to do with any other program.


Because you had a great athletic department with great leadership and traded it for a leader who is woefully inept. It is funny to laugh at Bama. That's like wondering why people would care if their favorite pro team changed general managers. It matters. And Bama is going to have to pay the next guy more than three million. So overpaying Grant led to overpaying AJ, which will lead to overpaying his replacement. You'll continue to pay top dollar for unproven coaches and likely continue middling in basketball. That about cover it?
Posted by DBU
Member since Mar 2014
19059 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:15 am to
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No. Almost of that is correct. You're making a guy with 0 college coaching experience one of the top 10 or 15 paid college coaches. It's patently absurd.


But he made the playoffs in the NBA a couple times brah
Posted by Aman
Alabama
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:16 am to
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What's up with alabama and signing short coaches?


Is 5'11" really that short?
Posted by therick711
South
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:16 am to
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But he made the playoffs in the NBA a couple times brah


So did Mike Brown and Mike Woodson. I bet they would have taken $2M per.
Posted by 14&Counting
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:17 am to
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No. Almost of that is correct. You're making a guy with 0 college coaching experience one of the top 10 or 15 paid college coaches. It's patently absurd.


So you just gonna leave out the fact re: his wins in the NBA, coaching his team to the finals, NBA coach of the year?

Yeah OK....perfect sense....
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:18 am to
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Is 5'11" really that short?


In the sports world, yeah. Otherwise, no.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:19 am to
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:19 am to
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That about cover it?


Confirmation bias....ridiculous argument.
Posted by AU4real35
Member since Jan 2014
16065 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:20 am to
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I thought he made a pretty good point. It looks like an overpayment off the bat but we have no clue whether it will turn out that way.



He would've come in around 1.5 for 5 years... Then if he turned in good seasons you could've let him negotiate up to around 3... Now if he has good seasons he'll negotiate up to 4 maybe 4.5... If he's getting 3 million for six years he's robbing yall...
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:20 am to
He was a mediocre NBA coach. Nothing he did there would say this is a homerun hire. It could be good. It could be bad. It could be mediocre. None of that justifies making him a top 10 paid college coach before he's recruited one kid, coached one college game, or spoken at one booster's dinner.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
24946 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:21 am to
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This is the biggest crock of sophistry bullshite I've ever seen. You're putting the analysis on whether a school overpaid on what theoretically it would have taken to hire who they ended up with. Basically, with your crazy formulation, the only way someone could be overpaid is if they admitted they would coach for less. So not only is your argument stupid, your methodology is useless. My goodness.


Wrong. There are certainly other ways to tell if you overpaid than for the coach to admit they would have taken less, that was merely one example. When you are dealing with a unique good or service it is extremely difficult to determine if a person over paid or not. If the exact same good or service was available and someone else got it for less, then you could make that determination. You can't do that with unique goods or services.

With unique goods or services, usually you will not be able to tell if you overpaid until you either resell the good or service or by some other metric of production or return on the investment after the fact. To say that Alabama overpaid Avery Johnson implies that you know they could have gotten him for less right now. None of us know that. Therefore, we will have to wait and see to make that judgment.
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 10:24 am
Posted by joeyb147
Member since Jun 2009
16019 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:22 am to
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So you just gonna leave out the fact re: his wins in the NBA, coaching his team to the finals, NBA coach of the year?

Yeah OK....perfect sense....
When Saban retires, you guys should hire Gene Chizik.

BCSNC winner, SEC coach of the year, Home depot coach of the year, & Bryant Coach of the Year.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25175 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:22 am to
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Confirmation bias....ridiculous argument.


That isn't even the right objection. We'll have to wait and see how AJ does as a college coach. Should he fail, you will pay more for his replacement. There's no doubt. Go back and read the articles about Grant and how much Bama paid him when hired. Your own columnists expressed exactly this sentiment back then. To act like this is something that people are just making up whole cloth because it is funny seeing Bama be inept at all sports other than football and softball is ridiculous.
Posted by Aman
Alabama
Member since Mar 2010
5181 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:23 am to
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In the sports world, yeah. Otherwise, no


Well then continue the childish flames.
Posted by Patton
Principality of Sealand
Member since Apr 2011
32652 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:23 am to
You have no idea what he would've come in around for. I would rather overpay for Johnson then pay market value for Prohm
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