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re: Im convinced Kim Mulkey could be a successful mens basketball coach
Posted on 2/3/23 at 11:40 am to tigerskin
Posted on 2/3/23 at 11:40 am to tigerskin
I think recruiting is what partly makes Mulkey so spectacular. Players started rolling in commits after she was hired. She has no proven track record in men’s ball so she would have to prove herself on the court before being able to pull recruits. Not sure very many coaches alive could coach this lsu mbb to very many wins. What comes first? Recruiting or winning? Chicken or the egg?
Posted on 2/3/23 at 11:40 am to BBATiger
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Recruiting would be a different story.
Mama's walking into the homes of single parent mom
My guess is they would have a major recruiting advantage.
If UK had not gone cheap in paying Pat's moving cost, she would have won all those Natty's for UK instead of UT.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 11:41 am to TheWhitemamba16
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I think recruiting is what partly makes Mulkey so spectacular.
Often neglected is Leon's role in her success at La Tech and Baylor.
She was smart to hire her former coach as her assistant.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 12:46 pm to pioneerbasketball
I mean Dawn for sure could. Mulkey is on the same level. Both could because they know ball.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 12:49 pm to HTX Bayou Bengal
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She sure as shite could coach the men’s team better than McMahon does
My dog could do that.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:11 pm to Cheese Grits
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Mama's walking into the homes of single parent mom
My guess is they would have a major recruiting advantage.
If UK had not gone cheap in paying Pat's moving cost, she would have won all those Natty's for UK instead of UT.
You're telling me a generational Tennessean who was so utterly Tennessean that when her water broke on the way home from a recruiting trip, she would not allow the pilot to land in the state of Virginia because she refused to allow her child be born anywhere but Tennessee?
The ONLY way UK gets Pat Summitt is if we never hire her. It's just who she was. Once she was here, she was never going to leave willingly. Majors and Fulmer were the same way.
As for recruiting... I think Summitt would have succeeded anywhere with just about anyone but IDK about Mulkey. Pat was a lot of fun. She was tough but ultimately competitive and fair and people saw that. They also saw how fun she was and even if Pearl had turned out to be a shite coach we'd have loved him for the respect he showed her and the awesome odd couple vibe they had together. He was adept at showing Pat's hilarious side to a broader audience (Tennessee fans saw it as did people who knew her but I don't think the broader world saw it until those two started doing a lot of events together and came across like a real life buddy movie together.
IDK about Mulkey. She comes across less fun.
As for men's teams, I see no reason why either would have issues coaching them beyond simply getting the job. It would've been difficult to get an AD to take a chance on them early on. The hardest time would've been Summit started coaching and even the idea of women playing full court and having women's sports was altogether new but midway through her career if Summitt had wanted a men's job she could've gotten one. I think the issue there was she knew what she meant to the women's game and because she'd been a pioneer, there was no way she would've seriously considered coaching men's team.
As for the UT men's offer mentioned upthread... IDK. Fans and the press would've given Pat a shot at becoming HC of the football team if she'd have taken it. Men's basketball is well below that. But that's how much she was respected here. I don't know if a serious offer was ever made by the AD for the men's basketball program but she would've been abandoning everything she worked for and it was never her personality to do that. Women like Pat (trailblazer's more broadly) do what they do so that the next woman (or man) that comes along can have that choice.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:19 pm to pioneerbasketball
She is a successful men’s coach.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:29 pm to Hugh McElroy
Everyone knows the women's game is far superior anyway. It's the fundamentals.
- LSU fans
- LSU fans
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:37 pm to EarlyCuyler3
Every thread involving women, Cuyler gets angry. Dude REALLY hates women.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:41 pm to pioneerbasketball
If she can get the players and get their respect and buy into a successful system then there’s no reason a woman can’t coach men.
But the hurdles may be too big right now, the future may be different…
But the hurdles may be too big right now, the future may be different…
Posted on 2/3/23 at 10:40 pm to pioneerbasketball
I love Coach Mulkey and what she has done for LSU. But she can’t coach men’s basketball. Sorry.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 10:44 pm to pioneerbasketball
Two different sports.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 12:23 am to Prof
Back when UK had Cliff as AD and Otis as the President Pat was offered (and accepted) the UK job. Then UK balked at paying to move her to Lexington. This sounded like Cliff as Singletary's wife Gloria could sell ice to Eskimo's and was a huge supporter of women's rights and women's college basketball behind the scenes. Otis and Gloria lived next door to a family member so I was around a lot.
In addition I was at dinner with Pat and Mikki and I brought the story up and Pat confirmed it. Although the "cost" of moving was more that the 50 dollars it was still very cheap (I think it was between 100 and 200 dollars) and sounded very much like Cliff being a cheap dumbass.
At the time (and to believe) UK had the better program and resources so it would have been the better job. If Bear Bryant had beaten Neyland just once in a decade he probably stays at UK and if Cliff were not so cheap Pat would have been UK's women's basketball coach.
3 of the greatest coaches of the last century would all have been at UK
(mind blown gif)
In addition I was at dinner with Pat and Mikki and I brought the story up and Pat confirmed it. Although the "cost" of moving was more that the 50 dollars it was still very cheap (I think it was between 100 and 200 dollars) and sounded very much like Cliff being a cheap dumbass.
At the time (and to believe) UK had the better program and resources so it would have been the better job. If Bear Bryant had beaten Neyland just once in a decade he probably stays at UK and if Cliff were not so cheap Pat would have been UK's women's basketball coach.
3 of the greatest coaches of the last century would all have been at UK
(mind blown gif)
Posted on 2/4/23 at 5:55 am to pioneerbasketball
I would honestly take her over our frog overlord
Posted on 2/4/23 at 6:08 am to Cheese Grits
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Often neglected is Leon's role in her success at La Tech and Baylor.
She was never a head coach a La Tech. She was groomed by Barmore to be his successor but Tech wouldn’t guarantee the number of years she wanted. She bolted to Baylor. At the time La Tech was a top 3 wbb program. Now not so much. A complete blunder by admin at La Tech.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 7:36 am to pioneerbasketball
Maybe she could coach a team she was given, but I doubt she could recruit very well
Posted on 2/4/23 at 7:42 am to pioneerbasketball
Well it quite easy to transgender yourself today so Mulkey could just declare herself a Man.
And Bingo she could coach both LSU squads.
And Bingo she could coach both LSU squads.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 10:01 am to Poker_hog
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She was never a head coach a La Tech.
Never said she was
She played there along with Mikki DeMoss under Leon
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She was groomed by Barmore
:kige:
When she bolted for Baylor she was smart enough to take him with her. Without Leon at Baylor I am guessing she has less success there.
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A complete blunder by admin at La Tech.
Yes, with both Mikki and Kim there they could easily have continued the early success. Mikki had some head coaching jobs but was really much better as an assistant as she did not like to do the public and donors part of the job.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 10:03 am to BowlJackson
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I doubt she could recruit very well
Why do you say this?
She has proven good at out recruiting her competition in women's players
She is a woman and guessing in home visits with mothers would give her a decided advantage her male counterparts did not have.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:22 am to Cheese Grits
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When she bolted for Baylor she was smart enough to take him with her. Without Leon at Baylor I am guessing she has less success there.
That’s not exactly how it happened. Barmore retired and it was assumed she’d be the HC at La tech. But her and tech never came to terms. She went on to Baylor. Barmore came out of retirement for a year or 2 to coach tech. He didn’t join her staff for several years later.
She won early on without Barmore. I was really pointing out how bad tech effed up. It’s like Nebraska thinking they were too good for frank solich’s 10 win a year record.
This post was edited on 2/4/23 at 11:23 am
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