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re: I'll play devil's advocate and defend Texas Tech...
Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:42 pm to TeddyWestside
Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:42 pm to TeddyWestside
Times have changed. Betting is legal and widespread now. Dominantly popular with the college aged demographic. Me personally, i would rather see Pete Rose in the HOF than the Steroid guys. That is real cheating. Stealing play calls is real cheating. The Astros were real cheaters. Betting on yourself is also different from point shaving.
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Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:43 pm to theliontamer
"Not a big deal"? This rule / law goes to the late 1900's, when the Black Sox scandal hit MLB. Every MLB's locker room, the NFL as well, has signs re "NO betting on games". Do you want a player, especially a QB, with a known gambling addiction, handling the ball late in the 4th quarter? This guy's addiction was so strong he was betting on balls & strikes at Red's games.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:43 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
I know it's not in the bylaws.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:45 pm to bluestem75
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There is no such thing as “insider gambling.”
May not be called that - but it is very likely that it is against the state gaming commision laws/regulations in whatever state governs the sports book that he used (not to mention his being underage violated those laws too). Even if not, it almost certainly violates the terms and conditions of whatever sports book he used and is without question unethical.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:47 pm to theliontamer
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Betting is legal
In some states, when you reach a certain age, yes.
In both Ohio and Indiana, the legal age to place bets is 21. Sorsby admitted to placing at least 40 bets while at Indiana, at which time he was under 21. Spoiler: This is illegal.
Further, online sports betting in TX is still illegal. According to filings, after transferring to Tech, Sorsby sent ~$5,000 to out-of-state proxies to place bets on his behalf while physically located in TX (where online sports betting remains illegal). Spoiler: This is illegal.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:51 pm to theliontamer
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I know it's not in the bylaws.
Thanks for the update!
So by his own admission (not heresay), he violated the NCAA Bylaws, got it.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 4:00 pm to TeddyWestside
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Gambling on your team’s games is totally different.
Agree - there are so many nuances with betting / gambling by those involved in any way. They argue Pete Rose never bet against his own team.... but he didn't bet on them to win every night either. Whose to say he didn't tank one game that he didn't bet on to save a pitcher for the next game that he did bet on? I think the cozy relationship that has developed between sports leagues and gambling is the single biggest threat to each and every sport (and they all are in bed with the gambling interests these days).
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paying players did not compromise the idea that every player is playing to win the game
Not sure I 100% agree - I agree to the extent that gambling by participants has a greater potential to affect a specific contest directly. Those observing or betting legally on games have an expectation that no one is throwing the game or affecting their odds because they know something others don't about that specific contest. But one competitor (or team) paying someone outside the rules (or violating any rule really) certainly affects the integrity and fairness of THE game as a whole.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 4:02 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
The whole nature of this situation is about the ncaa bylaws being as valuable as toilet paper. I'm arguing that he really didn't do anything that bad, and he should be able to play because all of these other events were actually way worse. You are just making simple points that don't matter.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 4:03 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
OMG, a college football player did something ILLEGAL! This is unheard of. Someone better arrest that man.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 4:05 pm to theliontamer
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I'm arguing that he really didn't do anything that bad, and he should be able to play because all of these other events were actually way worse.
Oh, okay.
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You are just making simple points that don't matter.
Pointing out the Bylaws and actual laws he broke are "simple points that don't matter."
Have a good one
Posted on 6/11/26 at 4:13 pm to theliontamer
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Sorsby bet on games he wasn't playing in, and had no power to influence outcome. That's it. Really not a big deal at all. Every college aged kid in America is betting on games now. It's a stupid rule, only enforced so Vegas can make money. Let's not pretend this is some honor of the game BS.
He bet on games the he knew what the game plan and strategy were going to be before the game. He made prop bets that he may have had a chance to influence.
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Honor for the game went out the window decades ago.
This isn't about honor. What are you talking about?
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Where is the outrage when Jim Harbaugh films play calls and wins a national championship. It gets pinned on a patsy, swept under the rug, and he's rewarded with the hardware and a high paying head coaching job in the NFL.
There was outrage. Harbaugh can't coach in college football until 2038.
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Where is the outrage when Michigan covers up sexual harassment of their new head coach for just a few more weeks so they can keep their signing class intact.
The coach has been fired.
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Where is the outrage when speeding, DUI, domestic abuse, and weapons charges are covered up with a 2 game suspension.
These things have no effect on the game. This is not something new. There have always been long suspensions, even lifetime suspensions, for gambling on games in the sport you are playing. But come on folks. We're now saying speeding is as bad as gambling on games you have a stake in?
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Where is the outrage when Reggie Bush gets his Heisman revoked, but USC gets to still claim their national titles.
You've never been able to stop anyone from claiming national titles. See Auburn.
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In a system where Hugh Freeze gets another shot as a head coach, i take no issue with Sorsby getting to play QB for a season. It really doesn't matter, and i would rather the best competition be on the field.
From the time he was fired until he coached again was three years. This kid is not sitting out even one year.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 4:17 pm to theliontamer
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Times have changed. Betting is legal and widespread now. Dominantly popular with the college aged demographic.
All the more reason to be harsh on players that bet on their team’s games. Giving the guy a slap on the wrist introduces the opportunity for avarice and corruption in a legal, regulated industry.
This post was edited on 6/11/26 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 6/11/26 at 4:25 pm to theliontamer
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i would rather the best competition be on the field.
precisely.... and when he is on the field and throws an interception to lose a game.... "Was there a bet we don't know about?"
Posted on 6/11/26 at 5:06 pm to TeddyWestside
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I have never in my entire life heard of an athlete getting caught betting on his team’s games and not be banned for it. Maybe it’s happened, but in any sport at any level, I’ve never heard of it.
And admitted to it. Zero ambiguity.
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