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Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:44 am to Crowknowsbest
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If you’re a university president, I don’t see how you could pass on UNC/UVA if that option is available. They would dramatically improve the academic perception of the conference overnight, and that very much still matters.
No, academic perception doesn’t matter anymore. Do you think the networks, which are driving this shitty train, give the first frick about UVA’s acceptance rate? Of course not. They care about eyeballs on the screens, and it’s undisputed the Noles and Clemson will bring in more of those than the Heels and Hoos.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:46 am to Toneski
Arguments for both:
UNC/UVA better basketball and increases media footprint.
FSU/Clemson Good solid football schools which is essentially the SEC bread & butter
UNC/UVA better basketball and increases media footprint.
FSU/Clemson Good solid football schools which is essentially the SEC bread & butter
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:46 am to TrussvilleTide
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FSU and Clemson would make the B1G better at football and give them blueprints in some untapped markets.
B1G programs have been signing kids from the South for ages. Have you heard of the Bosa brothers? What about Anthony Carter?
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:47 am to Tornado Alley
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No, academic perception doesn’t matter anymore. Do you think the networks, which are driving this shitty train, give the first frick about UVA’s acceptance rate? Of course not. They care about eyeballs on the screens, and it’s undisputed the Noles and Clemson will bring in more of those than the Heels and Hoos.
University presidents still vote, correct? ESPN would offer more money for the football package with Clemson/FSU for sure, and that’s a big deal. That isn’t the only funding source for a university though. ESPN’s cash has influence, but they don’t actually decide.
This post was edited on 8/8/23 at 8:48 am
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:48 am to Toneski
FSU / Clemson = more prime time matchups.
UNC / UVA = expand footprint. Two great academic institutions. UNC basketball.
UNC / UVA = expand footprint. Two great academic institutions. UNC basketball.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:49 am to Crowknowsbest
Yes, but most of the the university presidents are not voting from elite institutions in the first place, so I disagree it is an important factor. Unfortunately, this round of conference expansion has shown us what we knew all along: the only thing that matters is $$$$.
To respond to your edit, yes, you are correct the networks don’t decide, but they’re the one driving this ship. The SEC wasn’t itching to expand until Roy Kramer realized we could make more money by having a conference championship game. Guess who paid for that?
To respond to your edit, yes, you are correct the networks don’t decide, but they’re the one driving this ship. The SEC wasn’t itching to expand until Roy Kramer realized we could make more money by having a conference championship game. Guess who paid for that?
This post was edited on 8/8/23 at 8:51 am
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:49 am to Toneski
If they are accretive to the conference TV ratings average and television is willing to pay an amount that increases the per-school payout.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:51 am to Tornado Alley
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Yes, but most of the the university presidents are not voting from elite institutions in the first place, so I disagree it is an important factor.
In my opinion, this would make the perception improvement of UVA and UNC an even more important factor.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:51 am to Crowknowsbest
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Having grown up in VA, I don’t agree with this at all. UVA is a substantially better overall package. VT is not well positioned in football long term, and UVA is literally better at everything else. Their fans are snobs but that’s not exactly a needle-moving issue in the decision process for university presidents.
I agree that Virginia is better at baseball, basketball, Olympic sports, you name it than Virginia Tech and is accordingly the stronger overall athletics department. But since expansion is being driven by football, I'm not sure the equation is that easy; Virginia Tech outdraws Virginia in terms of attendance/television eyeballs and seems to me (someone who has never lived in the state) like the more popular program.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:54 am to Crowknowsbest
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n my opinion, this would make the perception improvement of UVA and UNC an even more important factor.
Do you think university presidents vote for warm and fuzzies or for frick tons of money?
Reasonable minds can disagree though
This post was edited on 8/8/23 at 8:55 am
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:55 am to Toneski
I think the only upside if keeping the Big 10 out of the region. They are both typical SEC schools and programs but they don't add much in the way of new eyes or new revenue or new recruiting area. It sounds like FSU is at least going to have an exit strategy if they use it or not. As good as the games would be they wouldn't be any more interesting than most SEC matchups, in my opinion. Not for current SEC fans...for Clem's Son and Free Shoes U their fans would be ecstatic with SEC teams coming to town...
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:56 am to TrumpedUpVol
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Virginia Tech outdraws Virginia in terms of attendance/television eyeballs and seems to me (someone who has never lived in the state) like the more popular program.
It’s more popular with the average resident. As many have said, UVA is seen as a white collar school vs VT as the more attainable option. That’s definitely a drawback. The VT fanbase advantage is much less pronounced outside of SWVA, though.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:59 am to Toneski
Money wise, until someone shows me otherwise they all look negative.
But if someone can convince me they all add money, I'm fine with any of them.
Clemson and FSU probably add more of a recruiting threat while UNC and UVA increase recruiting options for UGA. I suppose if everything else were equal UNC/UVA would be ahead.
But if someone can convince me they all add money, I'm fine with any of them.
Clemson and FSU probably add more of a recruiting threat while UNC and UVA increase recruiting options for UGA. I suppose if everything else were equal UNC/UVA would be ahead.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:59 am to Tornado Alley
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Do you think university presidents vote for warm and fuzzies or for frick tons of money?
Money. I’m saying that the president of UGA or UT may think that a little boost in outside perception may help attract some more out of state students or give them an influential ally in requesting research grants, etc. If your conference was already perceived as an academic powerhouse, UVA and UNC would bring much less to the table in that regard.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 9:04 am to Toneski
It's all about football I know but you have to think having Duke unc and Kentucky for basketball would probably bring some solid viewership. Would give instant credibility to the sec upstart programs like bama and auburn. Would also bring more voter respect to arky lsu and Florida. Fsu and clemson honestly just make things tougher for the top tier and knock the bottom half of the league down the totem. If fsu/clem have an offer in hand from the big then they became must haves.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 9:06 am to RT1941
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Agreed. We've already got one SEC member school that covers the self-righteous, religious, "Family" vibe and that's enough.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 9:07 am to Toneski
At this point, there is no benefit to add teams under the current system.
The only reason there would be a benefit is if there is a new NFL-model type system coming to college football. If two 24-team super conferences are coming, you would obviously prefer to fill out with programs like Clemson and FSU before the Big 10 snatches them up.
But at this point, there appears to be no long term plan, so it’s likely best to hold at 16 teams
The only reason there would be a benefit is if there is a new NFL-model type system coming to college football. If two 24-team super conferences are coming, you would obviously prefer to fill out with programs like Clemson and FSU before the Big 10 snatches them up.
But at this point, there appears to be no long term plan, so it’s likely best to hold at 16 teams
Posted on 8/8/23 at 9:07 am to Tornado Alley
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B1G programs have been signing kids from the South for ages. Have you heard of the Bosa brothers? What about Anthony Carter?
Talking more TV markets, the recruiting thing is overblown. The SEC is a brand you can recruit, no other conference has that. Florida guys aren't gonna decide to go to FSU because "now I can play in the B1G in my home state!"
Posted on 8/8/23 at 9:15 am to TrussvilleTide
No but if fsu has a easier and more frequent route to the playoffs than uf and a 50 percent increase in football budget, that will get players to say I'd rather go to fsu, same for clemson
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