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If Oregon were to beat Indiana…

Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:36 am
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:36 am
Then all of the talk about NIL and the portal making it possible for any program to win the Championship would kinda go out the window.

Since the origination of the BCS Title Game in 1998, there are 14 programs who have all played for a national title at least twice, and these 14 programs make up 49 out of the 55 (89%) participants in the National Title Game during the era. This counts Miami for 2025.

National Title Game Appearances in the BCS/Playoff Era:

8- Alabama
7- Ohio State
4- Clemson, Florida State, LSU, Oklahoma
3- Georgia, Miami
2- Auburn, Florida, Notre Dame, Oregon, Texas, USC

A Miami vs Oregon title game would just be more of the same, with both teams making their 3rd appearance during this era.

People can talk about Indiana, Ole Miss, etc. getting close and attributing it solely to NIL and the portal, but there are plenty of teams from the past 25 years or so that found themselves 3rd or 4th in the final BCS rankings that were not your typical competitive programs… Colorado, Stanford, Cincinnati, Boise State, Oklahoma State, etc.

If Indiana wins tonight and certainly if they win it all than the narrative will have some merit.

But at the end of the day, it’s not unique for this sport to have some Cinderella's get right up to #3 or #4. They just rarely get to that Final 2.
This post was edited on 1/9/26 at 11:53 am
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
48587 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:39 am to
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If Oregon were to beat Indiana…

Then all of the talk about NIL and the portal making it possible for any program to win the Championship would kinda go out the window.


I'm listening.

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Since the origination of the BCS Title Game in 1998


I'm hanging up now.
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
3805 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:39 am to
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I'm hanging up now.


Why? It’s literally when the era of a national title game began for the sport.
Posted by Faurot fodder
Member since Jul 2019
6714 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:39 am to
Nothing goes out any window, unless you're hopelessly hyperbolic and can only deal in extremes. NIL and the portal have already proven to be difference makers.
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
3805 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:45 am to
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NIL and the portal have already proven to be difference makers.


They’ve caused chaos and drama for sure… obviously they’ve brought about change. But at the end of the day, they’ve (so far) yet to lead to a program rising out of obscurity to win a national title.

Who won the national title last year? Blue Blood Ohio State over Blue Blood Notre Dame.

Miami has won 5 national titles since the 1980s and played for at least one other. Oregon has played for two since 2010 and been right in the mix about half a dozen other times.

If Indiana were to lose tonight or even to Miami next week, how would they be any different from TCU 2022, Oklahoma State 2009, Washington 2023, etc?
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
48587 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:58 am to
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They’ve caused chaos and drama for sure… obviously they’ve brought about change. But at the end of the day, they’ve (so far) yet to lead to a program rising out of obscurity to win a national title.


First of all, you don't have to win a national title to rise out of obscurity. Oregon has been a major program for decades now from Nike money and they have never won a natty. So I disagree with the way you are framing your argument. 2nd, Indiana has totally done the same thing with lightning quickness and some Mark Cuban money.
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
3805 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:03 am to
More points to ponder…

BYU, Colorado, Georgia Tech, and Washington all won National Titles between 1985 and 1991…. Obviously way before the days of NIL and the Portal.

2006 Boise State beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta, finished 13-0 and in the Top 5.

2008 Utah beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, finished 13-0 and #2.

2010 TCU won the Rose Bowl, finished 14-0 and #2.

2011 Oklahoma State was controversially left out of the BCS Title Game and finished #3.

2013 Michigan State beat Ohio State in the Big 10 title game, went on the win the Rose Bowl and finished #3…. Just ahead of #4 South Carolina.

2015 Stanford won the Rose Bowl and finished #3

Cincinnati went to the playoff back in 2021.

Why do we choose to ignore that stories like Indiana and Ole Miss this season have been happening in College Football for as long as we’ve played the game. The portal and NIL were non-existent until recent years yet we’ve seen dozens of “Indiana’s” and “Ole Miss’” in recent years. Only now when they pop up everyone acts like it’s this brave new universe we’ve never seen.

If Indiana wins the title, then yes, this narrative will have some teeth. But until then none of this is new.
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
3805 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:06 am to
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Oregon has been a major program for decades now from Nike money


So before the portal and before NIL.

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Indiana has totally done the same thing with lightning quickness and some Mark Cuban money.


So did Oklahoma State with T Boone Pickens. SMU had Texas billionaires writing checks directly to players.

My point is none of this is new. Lots of programs have seen an infusion of booster support and a few good seasons as a result.

But now when it happens we act like it’s only because of NIL and the portal. Maybe college football is just doing what it’s always done.
Posted by theballguy
Member since Oct 2011
33316 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:06 am to
*Not a championship but a tournament win.
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
48587 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:21 am to
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So did Oklahoma State with T Boone Pickens. SMU had Texas billionaires writing checks directly to players.

My point is none of this is new. Lots of programs have seen an infusion of booster support and a few good seasons as a result.

But now when it happens we act like it’s only because of NIL and the portal. Maybe college football is just doing what it’s always done.


It is new, there were people cheating before, and now it is within the rules. Yes there were many who were cheating, but not everyone. Now everyone can participate.

But the cheaters will find a way to still take advantage eventually. It's just the way some people are wired when there is this much money involved.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
73608 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:29 am to
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4- Clemson, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Oklahoma


Are you sure?

Georgia-

2017
2021
2022
When was the 4th appearance since 98?
Posted by chefrossi
Member since Jan 2022
462 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:33 am to
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NIL and the portal have already proven to be difference makers.


Not really. If Indiana loses tonight, they finish ranked 3rd or 4th. In 2012, another no name (Oklahoma State) finished 3rd.

A crappy traditioned team has always been able to win a 3rd place participation trophy from time to time even before the NIL or transfer portal.
This post was edited on 1/9/26 at 11:40 am
Posted by junkyarddawg3
Metro ATL
Member since Nov 2015
977 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:41 am to
I definitely appreciate your work. I just think it’s still a little too early to determine, or close the argument.
Posted by JacieNY
Member since Jul 2024
1956 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:49 am to
BYU, Colorado, Georgia Tech, and Washington all won National Titles between 1985 and 1991

Colorado (11-1-1) was gifted a win they did not earn (the Fifth-Down Game) so their claim of the 1990 title is forever tainted.

Georgia Tech (11-0-1), the other 1990 champion has a better argument than the buffs and it is too bad the two teams played in different bowls instead of against each other.

BYU still ranks as the worst team named National Champion (they sure as hell didn't earn it) when they beat a mighty 6--6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl.
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
3805 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:50 am to
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Now everyone can participate.


Everyone has always been able to participate. Nothing was stopping Mark Cuban from giving millions of $$$ towards Indiana football a decade ago just like Phil Knight and T Boone Pickens were doing.

At this point, Indiana is absolutely no different than any of the other dozen programs who put all the pieces together to have a magical season that resulted in a Top 3 or 4 finish. This is not new for the sport.

Why does everyone act like Ole Miss 2025 is 100% different than 2012 Texas A&M, 2013 South Carolina, 2014 Mississippi State, etc.? What’s the difference?

How is Vandy 2025 any different than Missouri 2013?

It is not a rare or new thing for these programs to rise up and have a fantastic year every so often. A few are going to do it in the sport every single season. It’s not new!

At the end of the day, there are 17 elites of this sport….Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, Tennessee, Texas, and USC.

Those 17 elites have won every national title of the last 33 seasons and one of those has won at least a share in 63 of the last 66 seasons going back to 1960. The only exceptions were 1976 Pitt, 1984 BYU, and 1990 Georgia Tech/Colorado. Michigan State (1965, 1966) and Washington (1991) also won titles but shared them with one of those elites.

I suspect it’s only a matter of time before Oregon joins the group as they’ve been extremely close about a dozen times now going back the last 20 years.

We have seen a lot of change with the portal and with NIL, but in all likelihood we’ll still see the same 17 programs (maybe 18 with Oregon) win 95%+ of the titles in the years ahead.

Everyone acting as if the game has changed to the point of it being a complete free for all for the title every season are getting caught up in the moment.
This post was edited on 1/9/26 at 12:03 pm
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
3805 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:53 am to
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Are you sure?


Fixed. I had given UGA one of Ohio State’s appearances.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21523 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 12:06 pm to
weak sauce. Oregon would still be the first first-time-champion since Florida.
Posted by bamabaseballsec
Member since Dec 2020
3507 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 12:09 pm to
Big 14
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9095 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 12:17 pm to
If Indiana does win it all, since they and Texas Tech are the top examples of buying your way from nowhere to elite in no time flat, it will certainly be a stronger message.

However, even though Miami and Oregon have been stronger programs with high level recruiting classes-- off and on -- for longer, they are still two of the biggest NIL spenders.

That the final four were these three + NIL/transfer heavy Ole Miss may end being seen as the year the new dynamics really took hold as far as the standard elite being blue blood programs who load up on the best HS talent.

Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
3805 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 12:18 pm to
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Oregon would still be the first first-time-champion since Florida.


Absolutely. But they’ve been building towards this for awhile…

Oregon Final AP Ranking by Year:

2002: #2
2003:
2004:
2005: #12
2006:
2007: #23
2008: #10
2009: #11
2010: #3 (played for National title)
2011: #4
2012: #2
2013: #9
2014: #2 (played for National title)
2015: #19
2016:
2017:
2018:
2019: #5
2020:
2021: #22
2022: #15
2023: #6
2024: #3

In 24 seasons, soon to be:

16 Top 25 finishes
11 Top 10 finishes
8 Top 5 finishes

Oregon is due a national title based on how they’ve played the last quarter century… way past due for one to be honest.

Oregon winning one would not be like Indiana. Oregon has been building for this for 25+ seasons.

Just like Florida State in 1993 and Florida in 1996, it’s inevitable that eventually someone new will win a title.

Indiana might very well win it this year, but I suspect that if they do they’ll be looked back on as more like BYU 1984 than a new upstart like Florida State, Florida, or soon to be (someday) Oregon.

If Oregon wins one, you can put them in the same category as FSU in 1993 or Florida 1996… past due for one and likely to win more.
This post was edited on 1/9/26 at 12:20 pm
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