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re: If bama goes to a 4-2-5 defense
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:08 pm to bamameister
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:08 pm to bamameister
I just hope we don’t run the 2-1-8 that Auburn likes
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Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:09 pm to DawginSC
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Some use a 3-3-5 more than a 4-2-5 as their nickel-base.
Bama fans would know better, but I think they tended to go with 3 down linemen more than 4 under Saban. I know Kirby ran that at Bama and took it to UGA. Don't know if Bama went to a 4-man front after he left.
Changing between the 3 and 4 man front is a significant change. When UGA went from the 4-man to a 3-man front, the only DL who was really successful at going from a hands down DE to a standing up rush OLB was Justin Houston. It took time to get the right kind of DL/LB on the roster before the move really paid any dividends.
A few times this year - against the better offenses - Alabama essentially had to drop the 3-down nickel mid-game because these opponents were really hounding the mismatch of a good H (TE or slot body) on OLB who really is a pass rusher. Teams would basically just go trips against Alabama, run a wheel or something similar (so the OLB matches), then torch him vertically. Notably, Alabama basically just had to default to 4 down, split safety and try to stop the run with 6 against Tenn and UGA...they were getting killed with 3-3-5.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:10 pm to Diego Ricardo
quote:That was a joke about the quantity of co-DCs Alabama currently has, but with the amount of turnover the Alabama secondary has had, any Nickle package is going to require some guys to grow up fast.
By all indications it will be what Wommack ran at his DC and HC stops preceding his move to Alabama. 4-2-5 with essentially 3 safeties: one a middle of the field safety, one a safety/corner hybrid, one a safety/linebacker hybrid.
My biggest concern with Alabama's defense in 2024 is cornerback and really just the field corner position. Currently have a 2nd year and 1st year player as the probably depth chart there.
FWIW, I think a 4-2-5 with traditional FS, CB/S hybrid, and Star provides a lot of flexibility.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:10 pm to tigah paw
Alright Buddy Ryan, what would you rather them play? A 3-4 ? A straight 4-3? 3-3-5?
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:13 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Alright Buddy Ryan, what would you rather them play? A 3-4 ? A straight 4-3?
I suspect describing the "Nickle" is a bridge too far for the rant.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:13 pm to Diego Ricardo
quote:This board needs more of this type of discussion instead of the hurrr durrr Kirby has a bowl cut. Hurr Durr Seattle Hippie won't be able to recruit teh souf shite.quote:
Some use a 3-3-5 more than a 4-2-5 as their nickel-base.
Bama fans would know better, but I think they tended to go with 3 down linemen more than 4 under Saban. I know Kirby ran that at Bama and took it to UGA. Don't know if Bama went to a 4-man front after he left.
Changing between the 3 and 4 man front is a significant change. When UGA went from the 4-man to a 3-man front, the only DL who was really successful at going from a hands down DE to a standing up rush OLB was Justin Houston. It took time to get the right kind of DL/LB on the roster before the move really paid any dividends.
A few times this year - against the better offenses - Alabama essentially had to drop the 3-down nickel mid-game because these opponents were really hounding the mismatch of a good H (TE or slot body) on OLB who really is a pass rusher. Teams would basically just go trips against Alabama, run a wheel or something similar (so the OLB matches), then torch him vertically. Notably, Alabama basically just had to default to 4 down, split safety and try to stop the run with 6 against Tenn and UGA...they were getting killed with 3-3-5.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:24 pm to bamameister
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I suspect describing the "Nickle" is a bridge too far for the rant.
Haha.
Personally, I love the 4-2-5. But it all hinges upon if you can find the right safety to plug in that 5 spot who's a hard enough hitter for run support, but fast enough to drop into pass coverage, That's a unicorn...
DJ Swearinger was that player for SC when they were on their run with Spurrier. We haven't found one like him since.
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:25 pm to Diego Ricardo
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A few times this year - against the better offenses - Alabama essentially had to drop the 3-down nickel mid-game because these opponents were really hounding the mismatch of a good H (TE or slot body) on OLB who really is a pass rusher. Teams would basically just go trips against Alabama, run a wheel or something similar (so the OLB matches), then torch him vertically. Notably, Alabama basically just had to default to 4 down, split safety and try to stop the run with 6 against Tenn and UGA...they were getting killed with 3-3-5.
Interesting.
UGA tends to use the 3-3-5, but will sometimes act like a 4-2-5 in terms of coverages from the LB position (with the rush OLB not covering the slot and just rushing the passer). Sometimes they will have the rush OLB cover the slot. They don't let the formation give away the coverage. We never sub in a DE for the OLB as that would let the offense know what we're doing.
In general I think Smart's belief is that having a LB rather than a DE lets the defense be more flexible and unpredictable, even if he does rush the passer the majority of the time.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:28 pm to tigah paw
Bunch of tards ITT.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:29 pm to DawginSC
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UGA tends to use the 3-3-5
In today's CFB, finding a true nose-guard to play the A gap(s) is a very difficult thing to do. Has to be big, 300+ lbs so he can't be pushed around, and strong enough to defeat double teams but also very quick latterly. Those three things usually don't go together (pick any two). Usually guys don't emerge as true nose-guards util they get to the NFL and develop a little more physically.
That's where UGA's being able to recruit the way they do helps them run that formation that many other teams can't pull off because they can't find the guys to run it properly. It's why many (most) CFB teams revert to some form of 4 down linemen on defense.
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:31 pm to DawginSC
Imagine how great someone like Jevon Kearse would have been in a 4-2-5.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:32 pm to tigah paw
Pretty sure everyone knew Bama was at least a 3 loss regular season team last year.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:33 pm to tigah paw
The crying on this board by rival fans will be epic this year. Can't wait, LOL.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:36 pm to Lonnie Utah
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In today's CFB, finding a true nose-guard to play the A gap(s) is a very difficult thing to do. Has to be big, 300+ lbs so he can't be pushed around, and strong enough to defeat double teams but also very quick latterly. Those three things usually don't go together (pick any two). Usually guys don't emerge as true nose-guards util they get to the NFL and develop physically a little more.
That's where UGA's being able to recruit the way they do helps them run that formation that many other teams can't pull off because they can't find the guys to run it properly. It's why many (most) CFB teams revert to some form of 4 down linemen on defense.
While that's all true, it's not like Bama can't recruit as well as UGA.
UGA did have generational guys in 2021 (Jordan Davis) and 2022 (Jalen Carter). But last year was a more "standard" guy (still very good in Nazir Stackhouse) and UGA was still one of the best teams in the nation defensively.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:38 pm to Salviati
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If bama goes to a 4-2-5 defense
Nearly every team plays a 4-2-5 defense for a significant number of plays every game.
The lack of actual football knowledge on this board is both astounding and amusing.
Bama ran a "3-4" defense last year.
In reality 90% of the snaps were in Nickel (aka 4-2-5) or Dime.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:41 pm to DawginSC
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While that's all true, it's not like Bama can't recruit as well as UGA.
UGA did have generational guys in 2021 (Jordan Davis) and 2022 (Jalen Carter). But last year was a more "standard" guy (still very good in Nazir Stackhouse) and UGA was still one of the best teams in the nation defensively.
I agree with everything you said. Elite recruiting is why those two teams are able to run a base defense with 3 down linemen AND are some of the most successful in CFB in the recent past. The two things are part and parcel.
While there are advantages and disadvantages to 3 vs 4 down linemen on defense, most teams don't have to studs up front to run a true 3 man DL scheme. Therefore, they are forced to go with 4 "smaller" guys on their defensive front. UGA and Bama are talented enough that their packages can float back and forth depending on in game situations...
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:47 pm to bamameister
I fixed it for you:
If LSU is still ranked lower than 100 in Total Defense for the 2024 season without their HT QB will they +/- 5 losses this year?
If LSU is still ranked lower than 100 in Total Defense for the 2024 season without their HT QB will they +/- 5 losses this year?
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:49 pm to DawginSC
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For those who think Deboer isn't a good coach, predicting 4-5 losses isn't ridiculous. Talent with a bad coach = Texas A&M.
He's done a pretty damn good job in his career thus far at beating teams with more talent than him. Logic would tell you that he'll do well with one of the most talented rosters in cfb.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:54 pm to tigah paw
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Lsu fans, folks
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:54 pm to bamameister
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defense
Is LSU going to have one of those this year?
I hope so.
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