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re: How realistic is the idea of playing a game to a 1/4 capacity stadium?

Posted on 5/25/20 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 5/25/20 at 12:44 pm to
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They may try it one time, and I agree fans will sit where they want to and nobody can enforce social distancing. After that, no more fans at all, empty stadiums.


Exactly. There's a herd mentality that takes over. First 20 people move, then 100 see them and follow suit, then 1,000....next thing you know people are massed together. There simply isn't enough security to stop them.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46462 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 12:53 pm to
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Seriously? Have you ever been to a spring game?

Plenty and with crowds of 40-45k all seated on one half of the stadium

We are talking 20k less than that number and with them in assigned seats around the stadium (including club suites where most people aren’t going to drift far from) not first come first serve. And we aren’t talking about telling people they can’t get up to pee or get food once they’re seated, just don’t sit close to other people. It’s not as difficult to enforce as you’d think and most people aren’t just going to say frick it and start massing together for the hell of it.
Posted by walley tux
DFW
Member since May 2020
794 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 12:55 pm to
right now there are 87 covid cases hospitalized in georgia. less than 20 in collin conty tx with over one million people. i'm in denton county 900,000 17 deaths (nursing home related) and a total of 102 hospitalized since this thing began and we have 46,000 college students.

by the time football season starts we would have been fully opened up for nearly four months the students will be in the dorms and we'll have football with fans.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/25/20 at 1:01 pm to
There are also nets at baseball games and constant reminders Over the PA to be alert for foul balls. The language on a ticket doesn’t absolve the venue of responsibility, proper precautions still have to be take .

If schools also take proper precautions according to their state health departments which are going to say use masks, take temps, maintain distancing, then whatever language they use on tickets will hold up. Inviting the general public to a mass gathering during a pandemic means exhibiting that you took all necessary precautions and if someone still got sick THEN it was on them for incurring the risk of attendance. You can’t just put it on fans and invite 90k to show up and think you’re legally safe.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46462 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 1:09 pm to
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right now there are 87 covid cases hospitalized in georgia. less than 20 in collin conty tx with over one million people. i'm in denton county 900,000 17 deaths (nursing home related) and a total of 102 hospitalized since this thing began and we have 46,000 college students.


Which sounds like people are taking precautions and the majority are being socially responsible. Good on them, that means we can start doing shite like we normally would while still exhibiting some caution.

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by the time football season starts we would have been fully opened up for nearly four months the students will be in the dorms and we'll have football with fans

Your timeline is a little off. Students haven’t been living in dorms anywhere except Liberty University since March and they won’t begin moving into dorms until mid to late August, just before the season starts.

Liberty opened up their dorms In April and, go figure, a bunch of kids got sick and now Liberty is being sued for putting them in harms way. You can argue whether or not that will happen at other schools months later but that is just one rexample of what has university presidents a little on edge. They need tuition dollars, they need full incoming classes, but they also need to avoid lawsuits wherever they can. Easiest thing to go without for a year would be some football ticket sales (at least in the SEC where tv contracts and at least a quarter full stadium can keep teams afloat until 2021 when things should hopefully be back to normal)
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51269 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 1:14 pm to
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big questions will have to be answered when one or more players test positive during a season (


I honestly don't see why we need to freak out if a player tests positive.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30072 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 1:19 pm to
What is the point of reduced capacity? So everyone is sitting 6' apart. What about when they go to the restrooms/concession stands? Going through the gate before the game? Tailgating?

It's one of those "but we've done something!" measures that make no sense. Just open up completely. It's more and more blatantly obvious this is just the flu.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46462 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 1:27 pm to
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honestly don't see why we need to freak out if a player tests positive.

No reason to if it’s just one guy beyond the impact of losing a player for a couple of weeks. I guess what I should’ve been more clear about is if 3-4 guys all get it at once during the season. At that point, you’ve got an outbreak issue that has to be resolved Campus wide (assuming that campus has players attending in person classes with other students) and your team performance is going to take a hit.
Posted by walley tux
DFW
Member since May 2020
794 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 1:42 pm to
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Which sounds like people are taking precautions and the majority are being socially responsible. Good on them, that means we can start doing shite like we normally would while still exhibiting some caution.



not really only about half the people wear mask, grocery and liquor stores have been packed since this thing started.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46462 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 1:49 pm to
Mine too but some people wearing masks is better than nothing, as are the 80+ degree temps and humidity all the rain down here has brought.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 2:21 pm to
If you look at that Champions League game in Italy that was thought to be a huge outbreak, it makes sense to just limit that potential.

Whether it actually does anything, who knows, it might just be safety theater. I still see the desire to limit it.
Posted by chateaublanc
Member since Apr 2020
1118 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 2:40 pm to
Just play with a full stadium. If you are scared stay home. The virus doesnt even effectively spread outdoors
Posted by InGAButLoveBama
Member since Jan 2018
924 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 2:47 pm to
This situation is so absurd. We know from testing that the case mortality rate for COVID in the US is similar to past flu epidemics. VERY few young people die from COVID. 85% who die have a comorbidity. We also know that in the US, a person who dies while COVID poz is considered a death from COVID, even if the death is really due to something like homicide.

Let fans in the stadiums at their own risk. I will be there if I can get in. Are we supposed to do this every time some new bug is on the scene? No way to live.

Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26957 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 2:48 pm to
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We are talking 20k less than that number and with them in assigned seats around the stadium (


Maybe UGA is different. Alabama does not issue tickets or assign seats to the spring game. So as it relates to BDS, the spring game point is irrelevant. It is completely open seating, no tickets. No management whatsoever.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26957 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 2:57 pm to
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There are also nets at baseball games and constant reminders Over the PA to be alert for foul balls. The language on a ticket doesn’t absolve the venue of responsibility, proper precautions still have to be take .



The last time you sat behind the 3B dugout at an MLB game with a net in front of your face was never.

Standard MLB injury waiver and release from liability you accept when you buy a ticket. The same can easily be reworded to fit the current situation and absolve universities, concert promoters, etc.:

"Holder, on behalf of himself/herself and Minor(s), acknowledges and assumes all risks and dangers associated with Holder and/or Minor(s): (i) being a spectator before, during, and after a baseball game (including all warm-ups, practices, pre-game, post-game and between-inning activities, promotions and competitions), and (ii) attending, observing or participating in the Game, in each case, whether any such risk or danger occurs prior to, during or subsequent thereto, including specifically (but not exclusively) the danger of being injured by thrown bats; bat fragments; thrown or batted balls; thrown, dropped, or launched items; projectiles; persons; animals; other hazards or distractions; and any incidents or accidents associated with crowds of people or the negligence or misconduct of other spectators. " St. Louis Cardinals

Actually, you don't realize it, but you made my point for me. The threat of getting a fractured cheekbone at an MLB game is very real. As you point out, the stadium warns fans, has a net behind home plate, etc. Yet they still allow fans to sit packed into some of the most dangerous areas of the stadium...behind the dugouts and down the baselines....with absolutely zero protection. They don't keep those dangerous, exposed seats empty.

In other words, they let the fans assume responsibility for their own safety...as the SEC ultimately will do.
This post was edited on 5/25/20 at 3:07 pm
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13012 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 3:09 pm to
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Not enforceable if 25,000 fans decide not to. No university has the manpower.



Sure it is. Announce over the PA that until they separate as per required, no team will take a snap.
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13012 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 3:11 pm to
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Actually, you don't realize it, but you made my point for me. The threat of getting a fractured cheekbone at an MLB game is very real. As you point out, the stadium warns fans, has a net behind home plate, etc. Yet they still allow fans to sit packed into some of the most dangerous areas of the stadium...behind the dugouts and down the baselines....with absolutely zero protection. They don't keep those dangerous, exposed seats empty.



False equivalence. You don’t take that fractured cheekbone from a foul ball home and spread it to others.
Posted by twk
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jul 2011
2118 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 3:18 pm to
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If you look at that Champions League game in Italy that was thought to be a huge outbreak, it makes sense to just limit that potential.

Whether it actually does anything, who knows, it might just be safety theater. I still see the desire to limit it.



If you look closely at the Champions League game, you'll find that it was more about pre-game and post-game partying, and the associated travel, then about the 3 hours folks spent sitting in the stands. Yes, a lot of people who don't want games played in front of fans are going to cite this, but knowing what we know now, you could open games up to fans and not get nearly the same spread as people are being much more careful.
Posted by chateaublanc
Member since Apr 2020
1118 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 3:24 pm to
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False equivalence. You don’t take that fractured cheekbone from a foul ball home and spread it to others.


It doesnt matter. You can take any virus home from a stadium and spread it to others. Covid simply isnt deadly enough to take such measures as playing in empty stadiums. Its not just a cosmetic issue, thousands of people rely on the business brought in from football game attendance. At a mortality rate of .26% and that .26% being 99% elderly its not even worth entertaining the idea of limiting stadium capacity.
Posted by twk
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jul 2011
2118 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 3:24 pm to
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There would be no bands, no students, and no visitor allotments.

Tickets would go to highest paying donors on down with understanding that nobody will be able to sit in their normal seat per distancing requirements. It’s that or they try to split up games so that all season ticket holders get to go to at least a couple of games.


Think through this, a bit, and I think you'll see that you may actually have it backwards.

People who buy suites and club seats aren't going to be pawned off with tickets to bleacher seats in the upper deck in the name of social distancing without demanding most of their money back. You can't shuffle season ticket holders around because what they pay is tied to where they sit (and the amenities that come with those seats).

For that reason, I think there are two options: (1) open it up to a full house, letting all season ticket holders who want a refund or to have their payments applied to next year, without penalty; or, (2) play in front of students only, because they can be spread out however you like.

We're still 3 months out, so I think #1 is most likely, but we shall see.
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