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re: how did the SEC get this bad?
Posted on 10/29/17 at 3:47 am to tigerfan84
Posted on 10/29/17 at 3:47 am to tigerfan84
It’s really not fair to compare a 5 year period to an opinion about the current state of a program. Id argue for UGA, Auburn, South Carolina and even Ole Miss being better now. that drastically changes the ratio from 8-3 in worse shape to 7-4 in better shape. Uga is number 2 in the country on an upward tragectory, Auburn under Mahlzahn has been to a natty and is a top 3 west team where as they were in the process of firing Tubberville at the time you’re referring to. Ole Miss was in the midst of their worst stretch ever now they’re a perineal bowl team. USC had a win pct barely over 51% they’re currently 5-2 trending upward and have won 55% of their games the past 5 seasons.
This post was edited on 10/29/17 at 3:54 am
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Posted on 10/29/17 at 7:14 am to Madking
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Missouri going 23-5 with 7 wins over ranked teams in their two east title years isn’t weak.
Where are they now?
Posted on 10/29/17 at 7:49 am to Revelator
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Nick Saban and Bama has killed the SEC
Indeed.
Posted on 10/29/17 at 7:50 am to Tigerbait357
Face it, it’s:
1. Bama
2. Er’body else baw
1. Bama
2. Er’body else baw
Posted on 10/29/17 at 8:09 am to LesHairDye
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O is proven...to suck! 3-21
This post is as dumb as your name.
Get off Les's nutsack.
Posted on 10/29/17 at 8:15 am to Madking
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Ole Miss was in the midst of their worst stretch ever now they’re a perineal bowl team
Who was their coach for that stretch?
Posted on 10/29/17 at 8:16 am to Tigerbait357
I'm gonna get bashed for this but....
The obvious answer is the over saturation of ESPN's love affair with all things Bama.
This started with LSU, specifically, in 2011 with the "rematch", which got the ball rolling on overt bias for one school over all the others in the conference.
Couple this with bridge scheduling that a Bama alum used to tilt their favor for several years, blatantly slanted officiating run by a Bama alum, ESPN and their Bama alum literally cheering every 5 star recruit to go to one school, and voila....
Every time a kid decommits from an SEC school and favors Bama, ESPN immediately puts it on their crawl and gives the 17yo all the air time they want, as well as a "bump" in their ratings.
This is the culmination of years of this. Some of the best players in the league are sitting on Bama's bench.
Now you have teams firing winning coaches and scratching for what talent is left, while the talent gap between Bama's squad (Number One Class) and whoever the Number Two Class is, is greater than the gap between the rating of the two class and 23 or 24 (Rick Daddy could confirm the exact number).
This was all done by design. Yet another great product ruined by the very media (ESPN) that purchased it (SEC), similar to what they did with Texas, the Big 12, and Longhorn Network.
Just think if ESPN would have gotten their way and had a roll tide network. Think its bad now?
The obvious answer is the over saturation of ESPN's love affair with all things Bama.
This started with LSU, specifically, in 2011 with the "rematch", which got the ball rolling on overt bias for one school over all the others in the conference.
Couple this with bridge scheduling that a Bama alum used to tilt their favor for several years, blatantly slanted officiating run by a Bama alum, ESPN and their Bama alum literally cheering every 5 star recruit to go to one school, and voila....
Every time a kid decommits from an SEC school and favors Bama, ESPN immediately puts it on their crawl and gives the 17yo all the air time they want, as well as a "bump" in their ratings.
This is the culmination of years of this. Some of the best players in the league are sitting on Bama's bench.
Now you have teams firing winning coaches and scratching for what talent is left, while the talent gap between Bama's squad (Number One Class) and whoever the Number Two Class is, is greater than the gap between the rating of the two class and 23 or 24 (Rick Daddy could confirm the exact number).
This was all done by design. Yet another great product ruined by the very media (ESPN) that purchased it (SEC), similar to what they did with Texas, the Big 12, and Longhorn Network.
Just think if ESPN would have gotten their way and had a roll tide network. Think its bad now?
Posted on 10/29/17 at 8:47 am to rbdallas
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All other conferences usually have about 2 - 3 good teams,
the rest have been mid to bad.
This year SEC has 2 - 3 good teams ...
and we are classified as a being a weak conference ...
we have ony dropped temporarily to where he others are.
He didn't classify us as weak (other conference fans will say it regardless though). It's not nearly as strong as it was pre 2016 though.
The ACC has Clemson, Miami, V Tech, NC St
Big 12 Oklahoma, TCU, Okie St, Iowa St, WVU
Pac 12 Washington, USC, Arizona, Washington St
Big 10 OSU, Penn St, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan St
SEC Bama, UGA, LSU, Miss St, Auburn
All these teams are at least decent, and by decent I mean they can compete and win vs many other ranked teams.
My prediction for the SEC top 5 is;
1) Bama 13-0 (possibility of an upset vs Auburn)
2) UGA 12-1 (their division is straight trash like usual, but I can also see an upset by Auburn)
3) LSU 9-3 (can not see us winning at Bama. We don't have the OL, QB, scheme, defense, nor homefield advantage. I don't predict the bloodbath like after the loss to Troy, but we lose by at least 2 TDs)
4) Miss St 9-3 (there is a possible upset by Arkansas when they go on the road, but I think Bama will be tuned in for their game against them. I'm not sure of the rules and even though they'll only have 2 divisional losses, they'll have 3 conference losses. I'm sure they'll be placed behind us as far as conference standings go)
5) 8-4 Auburn (I can legit see Auburn upsetting one of Bama/UGA, but I won't put it down as set in stone in my prediction).
That's my safe prediction. My bold prediction is that Aburn upsets one of the two big dogs, Arkansas upsets either us or Miss St, and UGA upsets Bama in the SECCG. Since I have never hated UGA, I would be cool with them repping the SEC in the playoffs as I don't see LSU having a chance, even by running the table, unless all hell breaks loose in every other conference.
This post was edited on 10/29/17 at 8:53 am
Posted on 10/29/17 at 8:55 am to HueyP
With ya 100% hueyp.
Bama gets the best kids from every state, then when the roster is full, he gets 4 and 5* out of state kids to GREYshirt.
They'd be full scholarship starters elsewhere, I guess bama pays better?
Bama gets the best kids from every state, then when the roster is full, he gets 4 and 5* out of state kids to GREYshirt.
They'd be full scholarship starters elsewhere, I guess bama pays better?
This post was edited on 10/29/17 at 8:59 am
Posted on 10/29/17 at 10:57 am to rbdallas
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All other conferences usually have about 2 - 3 good teams,
Yeah, the rest of CFB is used to 3 or 4 SEC teams in or near the top 10, and another couple in the top 25 - during a normal year.
Now, not only are we not dominant OOC, a lot of teams look sloppy and overmatched within conference - and I'm not talking about just the usual Vandy and Mizzou stuff. We lost to Troy and got crushed by MSU. Florida lost to Michigan and to UGA by 5 TDs. Auburn lost to Clemson - not bad, but Gus' deal is offense and they only scored 6 points. They also only beat Mercer by 14 points.
aTm lost to UCLA. They beat Nichols, ULM, and Arky in straight games, but gave up over 100 points combined to those 3 schools (
at Chavis). Ole Miss is terrible. A bad year for the conference and it is mostly Saban's fault - sucking all the air out of recruiting and any sort of momentum that any team that is not Bama does get going for itself.
1/9/2012 was bad for the SEC, not just LSU.
Posted on 10/29/17 at 11:08 am to rbdallas
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and we are classified as a being a weak conference ...
we have ony dropped temporarily to where he others are.
I would say we've not only dropped where others are but below 2 or 3. We have 8 or 9 teams that I don't think I would even classify as mediocre...they are flat out bad. They are almost the equivalent of OOC cupcakes to the few good to decent teams in the conference.
SEC is pretty bad this year. I've been watching 45 years and not many years can I remember so many bad to mediocre teams.
Posted on 10/29/17 at 11:32 am to Tigerbait357
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Of course you look at the coaches of a lot of these teams then it makes sense
Malzahn won a national title and it took everything to go right for LSU to beat them.
McElwain is the only freshman coach to win the SEC EAST two years in a row.
Muschamp has been a position coach on a National Championship team.
I don't think it's the coaches.
Posted on 10/29/17 at 11:36 am to TheFlyingTiger
You forgot about having 4 and 5 star early round picks staying to play at Bama!
Why Bama players stay for senior year
Allen returns to Bama for senior year
And this little nugget:
Saban complaining about drug testing his players
Why Bama players stay for senior year
Allen returns to Bama for senior year
And this little nugget:
Saban complaining about drug testing his players
Posted on 10/29/17 at 11:43 am to Tigerbait357
Posted on 10/29/17 at 12:44 pm to Tigerbait357
A lot of people here hate Cowherd but i agree with him as to why the SEC has gone downhill. Comfortable hiring of recognized SEC faces and ex-Saban guys has left the conference with a lack of head coaching talent.
Posted on 10/29/17 at 1:04 pm to Tigerbait357
word is Saban keeps a pair of their drawers and their university ID as a memento after he's murdered their careers.
Posted on 10/29/17 at 2:36 pm to Tigerbait357
It has been processed.
Posted on 10/29/17 at 2:54 pm to HueyP
random totally off topic post.
Posted on 10/29/17 at 2:56 pm to Tigerbait357
O
Posted on 10/29/17 at 2:56 pm to H-Town Tiger
Another post that has nothing my to do with the topic.
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