re: How delusional are big 12 fans?

They are nuts, they actually think middle of the pack B12 rosters can come into the SEC and capture multiple division titles, be 1 quarter away from an SEC Championship & even beat Bama! Totally insane right?

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This thread is nonsense.

OU won national championships in Men's Tennis, Golf, Gymnastics, and Softball this year alone.

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Congrats

Those 4 represent half your championships in the last year. You have the same number as UGA does in the same time frame. Our most recent ones are in women's swimming in 13, 14, 16.

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When is the last time Georgia has won a conference championship

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We won two last year in men's golf and women's equestrian.

Thanks for being so salty about this thread though

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OU fans are more than delusional though. They are for the most part intolerable

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I have to laugh at a Mizzou fan claiming another group of fans being delusional. Keep livin' off those handful of conference championship runner-ups you've had over the past 20 years. Get back to me when you actually BEAT someone with a pulse.

Imagine if this had been how realignment went in 2010 right after Nebraska and Colorado bolted

10 teams
+ Louisville (plants flag in SEC & B1G territory and solid basketball brand)
+ Pittsburgh (old football school+ academics in B1G territory)

12 teams (say TAMU and MO stay) then you cripple the ACC by adding
+ Cincinnati (plants flag in SEC & B1G territory and solid basketball brand and academics)
+ West Virginia (suitable eastern expansion into B1G / SEC / ACC borders)
+ Maryland
+ Notre Dame



First 16 team conference with HQ in Saint Louis
Notre Dame division (EAST)
1 Notre Dame (private school fills FoIA needs, football brand, in B1G footprint)
2 Maryland (basketball school, academic school, flagship, ACC footprint)
3 Pittsburgh (football school, academic school, B1G footprint)
4 West Virginia (football school, Pittsburgh rival)
5 Cincinnati (basketball school, academic school, Louisville rival, B1G + SEC footprint)
6 Louisville (basketball school, B1G + SEC footprint)
7 Missouri (academic school, flagship school)
8 Iowa State (academic school, solid fan base)

Texas division (WEST)
1 Kansas (basketball and academics)
2 Kansas State (state school)
3 Oklahoma (football and flagship)
4 Oklahoma State (state school)
5 Texas (football, academics, flagship)
6 Texas A&M (academics, flagship, solid fan base)
7 Texas Tech (who knows but history in SWC)
8 Houston (City school with growing academics and population base)

SEC would still be at 12
B1G would be at 12 (probably no Rutgers add)
PAC would be at 12
B 12 would be at 12 if you dropped texas Tech, Houston, Iowa State, and Kansas State and move Kansas to the Notre Dame side

I disagree. In the old Big 8, Nebraska had no annual game in Texas therefore no "access" to Texas recruits. Their program started to decline about 4 years into the formation of the XII. I think their decline has more to do with doing away with Proposition 48 athletes, rather than Texas recruits. Nebraska had a roster full of them, where as the XII limited a school to two of them in an entire athletic department, and not more than one in a sport. The old Big 8 allowed for an unlimited amount, while the SWC allowed for 0. Having 2 was the compromise, and Nebraska was adamantly against that.

Now, there aren't any.

Nebraska has never been able to change their athletic model, and it has nothing to do with conference affiliation.

And TAMU did not run a "spread offense" until we hired Kevin Sumlin. And that was after we announced the move to the SEC. if we fire Sumlin, there is no guarantee that we will hire a new coach that runs a spread. I'm hoping we don't.

And moving the SEC was the best thing we ever did.

You seem to understand more than most here and even those whose teams are directly impacted. What is the biggest factor in deciding to leave the Big XIi: the Texas HS recruits.

OU will not leave the Big XII since about 50% of our recruits came from Texas. We need to play UTerus annually because that game in Dallas makes DFW our recruiting base. Are we UT's biatch? Maybe/maybe not. Will Miss State (or about 13 of the 14 SEC members) getting more $$ annually thru TV contracts EVER make them more successful on the field than OU? Pass me that pipe.

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I disagree. In the old Big 8, Nebraska had no annual game in Texas therefore no "access" to Texas recruits.

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That's a good point, but the Nebraska games in the 1980's and 90's at least in terms of the regional broadcasts was very heavy with Nebraska games. But Osborne and Solich later got a lot of top name talent out of Texas like Broderick Thomas, Turner Gill, Terrance Nunn and Kenny Walker, to name a few...and all of these guys were high profile recruits

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Proposition 48 athletes,

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That actually explains some things. I remember Nebraska coming down for a Sugar Bowl years ago and they had a lot of 22 year old Sophomores and Juniors whereas LSU's soph's were like 19-20

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Nebraska has never been able to change their athletic model, and it has nothing to do with conference affiliation.

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I would argue that it was because they were forced to change their athletic model. But, they are not getting the Tommie Fraziers from Florida and Mike Roziers/Irving Fryars from NJ any more. Nor are they producing Johnnie Rodgers locally in Omaha

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And TAMU did not run a "spread offense"

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No, but Franchione and Sherman had you guys running a pretty competent offense...pro style with Tannehill and that was before Sumlin and the SEC.

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And moving the SEC was the best thing we ever did

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Maybe, but you guys are still Aggies

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the conference can hold down its own and has been doing so even with the departure of the quitters.

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no one is denying that. the issue is what "hold down it's own" means in reality. the reality is that the big12 is not a great conference overall and doesn't appear to have a great future. just look at conference revenues

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The SEC lives and dies by Alabama, teams measure themselves by their loss differences to Bama, and they live in Bama's shadow

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totally false. look at how well the conference was doing in the early 2000's and bama was not nearly as great then as they are now.

it's amazing how ignorant people are on this subject.

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SEC fans are delusional in that they think the conference is still relevant outside of Alabama

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it's like you don't know the sec is the most competitive conference. again, have you not looked at ooc results over the last 17 years?

here's another action item for you. go look at how sec bowl matchups are set up. after the bcs bowls, sec teams are typically matched up with teams that are ranked higher or have better records. do you know why that is?