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Posted on 12/15/24 at 11:03 am to lewis and herschel
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True but the teams he played did not have the best players.....
Jeanty doesn't have any leverage over Hunter when it comes to the schedule though, and ultimately it was between the two.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 11:27 am to Quicksilver
Jeanty had a heck of a day vs Oregon, the #1 team in the Country.....
Posted on 12/15/24 at 12:40 pm to Jobu93
Hunter got a lot of undeserved press though.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 12:50 pm to CNB
Hunter is a great football player
Posted on 12/15/24 at 1:47 pm to theballguy
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Hunter got a lot of undeserved 2nd and 3rd place votes due to voters not liking his coach or team.
FIFY
I rooted against Colorado in every game they played and hope Deon loses every game next year, but there wasn’t a doubt in any objective mind that understands football about who is the better football player.
There’s at least 3 backs just in the SEC that would have had the same or better stats if they switched places with Jeanty. There isn’t a WR or DB anywhere in the country that could replicate what Hunter did, against significantly harder competition than Jeanty.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 3:03 pm to CNB
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So being above average at two positions is Heisman worthy these days
1152 yards receiving with 15 TD's as a WR and 11 passes defended with 4 INT as a CB is better than being above average at both positions. It means he was elite at both. Maybe not the best in the nation at either, but not simply an "above average" guy.
He won the Bednarik award for best defensive player of the year... AND had 1100 receiving yards to go with that.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 3:19 pm to DawginSC
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AND had 1100 receiving yards to go with that.
I might be mistaken, but hasn’t it been like 2 decades since AU had a 1000 yd receiver?
Think about that, a Colorado DB that won the best defender award this year is a better receiver than AU has had in about 2 decades…smh
Posted on 12/15/24 at 3:25 pm to BamaBravesPackers
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Yeah, we should give the trophy to a guy that played against 1 decent team all season long instead of the guy who played 100+ snaps of football almost every game and was the best player on the field, on either side of the ball, every time the ball was snapped.
I see you used Jeanty’s schedule against him but ignored Hunter’s schedule. Weird
Posted on 12/15/24 at 3:31 pm to lsufball19
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I see you used Jeanty’s schedule against him but ignored Hunter’s schedule. Weird
Really? Care to post Boise State’s SOS vs Colorado’s? Those were the 2 players being compared, correct?
Posted on 12/15/24 at 3:40 pm to lewis and herschel
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My big thing is Jeanty lifted that team to the playoffs while Hunter lifted his team to some shite bowl game.
Jeanty was on the team that dominates their conference year in and year out and has had plenty of people rack up huge stats against bad competition over the years (it’s like Gonzaga in conference play in basketball).
Hunter was on a bottom feeder team that lost every conference game they played 2 years ago, is one of the only reasons that program even has life at all, and almost took the team to the conference championship this year…in a P4 league! It’s not even close as to who was more important to their team, their university’s football program, who played the tougher schedule, and who is the better player.
Anyone trying to argue this either 1) doesn’t understand football, 2) hates Colorado’s culture [as do I], or 3) is on the playoff committee which makes #1 true as well.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 3:40 pm to BamaBravesPackers
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Care to post Boise State’s SOS vs Colorado’s?
Colorado 71
Boise 79
Negligible difference. So maybe find another talking point when comparing the two players. Colorado played a terrible schedule too
This post was edited on 12/15/24 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 12/15/24 at 3:51 pm to lsufball19
If you were starting a team and could choose one of the two, you would take Hunter without a doubt. A WR1 and a CB1 is crazy.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 3:56 pm to lsufball19
Nah, playing the number 1 team close is an actual data point ....
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:10 pm to BamaBravesPackers
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There’s at least 3 backs just in the SEC that would have had the same or better stats if they switched places with Jeanty.
Agree with everything else but this is just flat out wrong. Jeanty is the best college back since Derrick Henry.
The truth of the situation is in most years Jeanty wins the Heisman going away, he was just up against another generational freak this year.
Hunter absolutely deserved the Heisman. But so did Jeanty. We're privileged as cfb fans to be able to watch them both at the same time.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:11 pm to lsufball19
lol…you’re a genius. You used FPI that already gave credit for the 2nd UNLV game (anyone really believe Colorado wouldn’t have been in the MW Championship game if they played in that conference?).
1st one I googled that only went through the regular season had Colorado nearly 20 spots higher than Boise (61 vs 78).
The mountain west had teams with schedules ranked from #69 to #118. Boise didn’t play the one with #69, the highest MW team they played had the #84 hardest schedule. They also played the #118, #116, and #104. Heck, we can throw in Oregon St and Washington St. (quasi MW teams) to add teams that played the #86 and #111 SOS to their vaunted schedule.
The B12 SOS’s ranged from #37 to #74. Literally every single team Colorado played from the B12 had a harder schedule than ANY team that Boise played from the MW, including Oregon State and Washington State. What’s even more ironic, is the MW team with the hardest schedule who went 8-4 against that hardest schedule but Boise State didn’t have to play…that team lost to Colorado 28 to 9. So Colorado played 9 B12 teams and 1 MW team with harder schedules than any MW team that Boise played. What can I say, you either know football or quote narratives you want to be true that just aren’t. Boise didn’t play hard competition…they played teams that had some of the softest schedules of anyone in the country.
1st one I googled that only went through the regular season had Colorado nearly 20 spots higher than Boise (61 vs 78).
The mountain west had teams with schedules ranked from #69 to #118. Boise didn’t play the one with #69, the highest MW team they played had the #84 hardest schedule. They also played the #118, #116, and #104. Heck, we can throw in Oregon St and Washington St. (quasi MW teams) to add teams that played the #86 and #111 SOS to their vaunted schedule.
The B12 SOS’s ranged from #37 to #74. Literally every single team Colorado played from the B12 had a harder schedule than ANY team that Boise played from the MW, including Oregon State and Washington State. What’s even more ironic, is the MW team with the hardest schedule who went 8-4 against that hardest schedule but Boise State didn’t have to play…that team lost to Colorado 28 to 9. So Colorado played 9 B12 teams and 1 MW team with harder schedules than any MW team that Boise played. What can I say, you either know football or quote narratives you want to be true that just aren’t. Boise didn’t play hard competition…they played teams that had some of the softest schedules of anyone in the country.
This post was edited on 12/15/24 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:12 pm to 195bc
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The Oregon game was early in the season and you can catch anyone off guard..
Assuming you never actually watched Jeanty play this season. He didn’t just catch Oregon off guard lol. He’s a tremendous player no matter who he played
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:13 pm to Nama1435
Who’s more valuable to a team? An all time RB or 2 all Americans at WR and CB
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:18 pm to Nama1435
He played for Coach Prime. If he wouldn't be playing for Prime..... he wouldn't have even be in NY.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:26 pm to BamaBravesPackers
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Boise didn’t play hard competition
Never said they did
But Colorado didn’t either
Hunter’s 100 yard receiving games came against
North Dakota St (FCS)
Colorado St (#101 pass defense)
Nebraska (#51)
Baylor (#84)
Cincinnati (#75)
Kansas (#103)
Oklahoma St (#132
) He shredded bad pass defenses. I’m not saying he isn’t a great athlete but let’s stop pretending his receiving numbers were against good teams
This post was edited on 12/15/24 at 4:38 pm
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