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re: Haynes King Aggie Starter

Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:14 am to
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:14 am to
what about a 7 loss Kent St. team
Posted by Hugh McElroy
Member since Sep 2013
18585 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:18 am to
Look, I'm not saying King is gonna be Burrow. He almost certainly will not. I'm just saying that discounting the idea that he might be good from his first game is just really, really stupid - for at least two reasons.

First, because many great QBs have had bad or pedestrian first games. Second, because King's first game was actually pretty good, if you will watch it rather than merely parrot one stat from the game.
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
10759 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:20 am to
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If King wins this year, I think Max stays this season and grad transfers when he can.



Unless they are going to a bad non P5 or Div II team, any QB who transfers at this point in the season is getting some really bad advice. With injuries, other potential transfers, or just bad play by the starter, their chance of getting playing time at their current school is much better.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61687 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:24 am to
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First, because many great QBs have had bad or pedestrian first games. 


I disagree with this part.

Most college quarterbacks who are at least decent usually play "well" if they're starting their first game vs a true cupcake.
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:26 am to
I watched him recently. He's not bad and it was first game jitters maybe. He has happy feet though.
Posted by Hugh McElroy
Member since Sep 2013
18585 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:29 am to
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I watched him recently. He's not bad and it was first game jitters maybe. He has happy feet though.


Totally agree. Definitely had work to do. Happy feet, and sailing a ball or two.

But arm looked good, speed was noticeable, and wasn’t afraid to sling it.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
59954 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:32 am to
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He scares me. True fish Conner Weigman is the future star- just don't know if Jimbo will trust him. In fact, I'm sure he wont.


Jimbo would be throwing the year away if he went w/a true freshman. That's something you do in your first couple of years when you have enough good will to suffer through the learning pains. By year 5 if you are starting a true freshman something has gone horribly wrong in your program.
Posted by BSherrill
Member since Nov 2015
1962 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:35 am to
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Most college quarterbacks who are at least decent usually play "well" if they're starting their first game vs a true cupcake.


What about their 2nd start against a powerful SELA squad?

Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61687 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:39 am to
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What about their 2nd start against a powerful SELA squad?


Are you still referring to Burrow, a guy who was trying to learn the system on the fly?

Any quarterback who transfers in the summer and starts their first game isn't really the same as the original premise.

It's nearly as hard as starting a true freshman.
Posted by BSherrill
Member since Nov 2015
1962 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:40 am to
Again like someone else said, not saying king will be burrow. But trying to judge a qb off of one stat in one game (3 ints, where only one was a poor throw) is a bit swamp rat brain level.

Hell most of ya'll were saying Max will be the starter.

This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 10:41 am
Posted by BSherrill
Member since Nov 2015
1962 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:42 am to
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Any quarterback who transfers in the summer and starts their first game isn't really the same as the original premise.

It's nearly as hard as starting a true freshman.


Tell me you weren't a college athlete without telling me you weren't a college athlete.

Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61687 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:44 am to
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Again like someone else said, not saying king will be burrow. But trying to judge a qb off of one stat in one game (3 ints, were only one was a poor throw) is a bit swamp rat brain level.



It's completely possible he's great, it's also completely possible that he's trash.

No way of knowing as he doesn't have enough game experience.

quote:

Hell most of ya'll were saying Max will be the starter.


I'd bet that Max starts more games than King this year, he's just Jimbo's type of quarterback.

The only thing that will hold him back is learning the system to the level that King likely knows it.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61687 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:45 am to
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Tell me you weren't a college athlete without telling me you weren't a college athlete.



What are you disagreeing with?
Posted by BSherrill
Member since Nov 2015
1962 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:49 am to
You are saying starting at QB as a true freshman is as nearly as hard as being in your 4th year and having 3 months to learn the "playbook." That is what you are saying, correct?
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 10:53 am
Posted by Beerad
Texas
Member since Aug 2014
1700 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:51 am to
Kinda like you bet Brennan would be the starter and Daniels 3rd string? Your QB prowess is exceptional.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61687 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:53 am to
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You are saying starting at QB as a true freshman is as nearly as hard as being in your 4th year and having 3 months to learn the "playbook," that is what you are saying correct?





It isn't as difficult but it'd be right there.

"Studying the playbook" for three months isn't the same as getting live reps and building chemistry with your teammates, all of that can't be created in one fall camp.

The only added difference for a true freshman would be adjusting more to the speed of the game and the physical differences, of course, a career backup wouldn't have a lot more exposure to the speed of the game either outside of practice reps.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61687 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:54 am to
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Kinda like you bet Brennan would be the starter and Daniels 3rd string? Your QB prowess is exceptional.


That was my statement prior to fall camp, Aggie. Obviously, Daniels made some major leaps and Brennan didn't want to stick around.

Posted by BSherrill
Member since Nov 2015
1962 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 11:06 am to
Burrow played in 9 games at OSU and actually operating the offense in 8.

But beyond that yes they are very different. As a true freshman you are adjusting to everything including life in college.

As a backup you've already learned how camp goes, how the game weeks go, how to practice, etc particularly when you are coming from one good program to another. Yes you have to build chemistry but you've already learned how to do that and you are typically trying to build chemistry with new key pieces every year anyway.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
23036 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 11:07 am to
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We went from being ranked 40th overall and a lockdown defense through the last 5 games

Posted by supersaints9
Colleyville,Tx
Member since Dec 2009
16241 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 11:12 am to
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The Aggie offense is going to be really, really good this year.


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