Started By
Message
locked post

Has Spurrier at South Carolina surpassed what Bryant did at UK?

Posted on 8/2/14 at 4:37 pm
Posted by Crimson Legend
Mount St Gumpus
Member since Nov 2004
15478 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 4:37 pm
Give it some thought before you answer:

Paul "Bear" Bryant era (1946-1953)[edit]


Coach Bryant
Legendary coach Paul "Bear" Bryant was Kentucky's head football coach for eight seasons.[4]

Bear Bryant came to Kentucky from Maryland.[5] Under Bryant's tutelage, the Wildcats won the 1947 Great Lakes Bowl, lost the 1950 Orange Bowl, won the 1951 Sugar Bowl and the 1952 Cotton Bowl Classic.[4] In final AP polls, the Wildcats were ranked #11 in 1949, #7 in 1950, #15 in 1951, #20 in 1952 and #16 in 1953.[4] The final 1950 poll was taken prior to the bowl games; Kentucky then defeated undefeated and #1 ranked Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl,[4] ending the Sooners 31-game winning streak. Bryant won SEC Coach of the Year honors in 1950, the year some Wildcats fans claim the Wildcats won the national championship. Bryant left after eight seasons to accept the head football coach position at Texas A&M.

Assistant coaches at Kentucky under Bryant that went on to become head coaches include Paul Dietzel, Frank Moseley, Jim Owens and Phil Cutchin.[6] Notable players who played for Bryant at Kentucky include Howard Schnellenberger, Jim Mackenzie, Jerry Claiborne, Steve Meilinger, George Blanda, Vito Parilli, and Bob Gain.[7][8]
This post was edited on 8/2/14 at 4:38 pm
Posted by FourThreeForty
Member since May 2013
17290 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 4:38 pm to
Well, actually, no he hasn't. I read it wrong. I thought you meant his whole body of work
This post was edited on 8/2/14 at 4:39 pm
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
72890 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 4:38 pm to
Most definitely.
Posted by Crimson Legend
Mount St Gumpus
Member since Nov 2004
15478 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 4:40 pm to
I've never thought about comparing the two until today in the thread comparing Kentucky and South Carolina. Interesting comparing the two SEC greats at their "other" coaching gigs.
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
19232 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 4:47 pm to
yes
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 4:47 pm to
Is Bear Bryant the only man to ever coach 3 SEC teams? I can't think of anyone else.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
118965 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 4:54 pm to
No. Bryant's 8 years at UK were pretty amazing for the time period. Winning the Sugar and Cotton back to back and thumping the national title winner.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
39983 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 4:56 pm to
Has USCe played in the Sugar, Orange, and Cotton yet?
This post was edited on 8/2/14 at 5:01 pm
Posted by harmonics
Mars Hotel
Member since Jan 2010
18615 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 4:56 pm to
Spurrier won an ACC title at Duke. That's better than anything he has done at South Carolina.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
98922 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 4:58 pm to
quote:

No. Bryant's 8 years at UK were pretty amazing for the time period. Winning the Sugar and Cotton back to back and thumping the national title winner.


Hey ky, can you check your email or shoot me one?

And agreed. If he does what some are predicting he could do with USCe this season then he's going to come close.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37599 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 4:58 pm to
quote:

Is Bear Bryant the only man to ever coach 3 SEC teams? I can't think of anyone else.


A&M was in the SWC when he was coaching there so, no, The Bear didn't do it either.
This post was edited on 8/2/14 at 5:02 pm
Posted by Master of Sinanju
Member since Feb 2012
11309 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 5:11 pm to
Kentucky won the SEC title, so they get the edge.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
118965 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 5:11 pm to
quote:

Hey ky, can you check your email or shoot me one?



Just replied Belle!
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
15737 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 5:11 pm to
quote:

Is Bear Bryant the only man to ever coach 3 SEC teams? I can't think of anyone else.



Bryant coaches at two SEC schools. He and Spurrier are the only coaches to stay at multiple SEC schools for 10 years plus
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64985 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 5:15 pm to
No.

Bryant won the SEC and came very close to winning a national title in 1950. And this was at Kentucky.

Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
39983 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 5:16 pm to
Bear wasn't at UK for 10+
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64985 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 5:16 pm to
quote:

e and Spurrier are the only coaches to stay at multiple SEC schools for 10 years plus


Bryant coached at Kentucky for only 8 years.

Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
118965 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 5:16 pm to
quote:

Bryant coaches at two SEC schools.


I presume the poster also was counting A&M as an SEC school even though it wasn't while Bryant was there.
Posted by ConwayGamecock
South Carolina
Member since Jan 2012
9121 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 5:21 pm to
quote:

Give it some thought before you answer:

Paul "Bear" Bryant era (1946-1953)[edit]


Coach Bryant
Legendary coach Paul "Bear" Bryant was Kentucky's head football coach for eight seasons.[4]

Bear Bryant came to Kentucky from Maryland.[5] Under Bryant's tutelage, the Wildcats won the 1947 Great Lakes Bowl, lost the 1950 Orange Bowl, won the 1951 Sugar Bowl and the 1952 Cotton Bowl Classic.[4] In final AP polls, the Wildcats were ranked #11 in 1949, #7 in 1950, #15 in 1951, #20 in 1952 and #16 in 1953.[4] The final 1950 poll was taken prior to the bowl games; Kentucky then defeated undefeated and #1 ranked Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl,[4] ending the Sooners 31-game winning streak. Bryant won SEC Coach of the Year honors in 1950, the year some Wildcats fans claim the Wildcats won the national championship. Bryant left after eight seasons to accept the head football coach position at Texas A&M.

Assistant coaches at Kentucky under Bryant that went on to become head coaches include Paul Dietzel, Frank Moseley, Jim Owens and Phil Cutchin.[6] Notable players who played for Bryant at Kentucky include Howard Schnellenberger, Jim Mackenzie, Jerry Claiborne, Steve Meilinger, George Blanda, Vito Parilli, and Bob Gain.[7][8]



Well, first thing to look at are the bowl games: bowls such as the Orange, Cotton, Sugar, Rose are regarded as the great standards today, because once upon a time they were the ONLY bowls that teams could go play in, which meant only the best teams in the nation every year participated in bowls, right?

But then look at the final rankings for UK during those bowl years: unranked in '47; ranked 11th in '49-'50; ranked 7th in '50-'51 (their Okie-win year); ranked 15th and 17th in '51-'52.

So either those prestigious bowls weren't regarded in the 50s like they are today, or the UK teams weren't regarded as highly. USC hasn't played in ANY of those bowls the past 3 seasons, but have finished ranked in the top 10 of both polls each seasons. At least to the pollsters who vote their choices, USC in it's time under SOS has accomplished MORE than UK in it's time under Bryant...

Then look at the aspect regarding the Oklahoma win: as it's pointed out above, the final poll rankings took place BEFORE their bowl game. Oklahoma had ALREADY won the national title prior to playing UK. They obviously was very happy they'd won, and felt very little remained to be accomplished - with there still being another game of FB left to play. By winning the NC, the Sooner's surely had a target on their backs, and UK was wanting to make a name for themselves. It makes sense to me that this would be an upset special all set up for the Sooners....

Then look at USC beating then-#1 ranked and defending NC Alabama in 2010: Bama was riding a 19-game win streak into Williams-Brice, and were surely targeting the 2010 NC as their top goal of the season. They hadn't won anything yet that year, and had no reason to relax whatsoever. But we all know what happened that day.

I would submit that the win over Bama in 2010 - under Spurrier - was more momentous than the bowl win over Oklahoma was in 1950-51 for Bryant and UK....


Posted by ConwayGamecock
South Carolina
Member since Jan 2012
9121 posts
Posted on 8/2/14 at 5:23 pm to
quote:

Bryant coaches at two SEC schools. He and Spurrier are the only coaches to stay at multiple SEC schools for 10 years plus



Spurrier and Bryant are the only SEC coaches to own the most wins in program history at 2 SEC programs....
Page 1 2
Jump to page
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 2Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow SECRant for SEC Football News
Follow us on Twitter and Facebook to get the latest updates on SEC Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitter