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re: Greatest CFB team of all time debate: Single Digit Deficit Wins

Posted on 2/22/21 at 1:28 pm to
Posted by GCTiger11
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Jan 2012
45443 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 1:28 pm to
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They lost by fricking 28 points.


Way to totally miss the point. I was speaking about the absurdity of a team who started playing football on Halloween even being given a chance to win a national title. You know deep down that people will take this season with a grain of salt in the future. You feel disrespected. That’s why you’ve made this thread 5 times now. It eats at you people view your season with the backdrop of a global pandemic.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61132 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 1:40 pm to
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Yet you lied about ppg ?


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2019 Bama gave up 19.9 points per game. Not 18.6

So desperate to make your point that you just made shite up


Actually just going off of this graphic

Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61132 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 1:44 pm to
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vs P5 Opponents

2019 Alabama Defense
YPP - #28
PPG - #24

2020 Alabama Defense
YPP - #12
PPG - #5 (only behind ULL and 3 teams from the offense optional Big Ten West - NW, Iowa, Wisky)


Pretty big difference


Meh, rankings are based on those around the team in question. Not the year prior which is what the original statement was about.

Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
104987 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 1:45 pm to
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Meh, rankings are based on those around the team in question. Not the year prior which is what the original statement was about.


Wut? This directly compared the performance of the 2 teams. The stats clearly shoe the 2020 defense was better than 2019.
This post was edited on 2/22/21 at 1:46 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61132 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 1:48 pm to
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Wut? This directly compared the performance of the 2 teams. The stats clearly shoe the 2020 defense was better than 2019.


Not really.

It shows that the 2020 Alabama defense was better among 2020 college football defenses than the 2019 Alabama defense was among 2019 college football defenses.

Again, I'm not saying 2020 wasn't better, I'm saying its hard to make the argument that they were "miles better" as the original statement indicated.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
79468 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 1:48 pm to
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You know deep down that people will take this season with a grain of salt in the future.


Looks like the World Wide Leader disagrees:

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The Crimson Tide had the No. 1, 3 and 5 finishers in the Heisman voting. They played one game decided by fewer than 14 points. They bested an SEC-only schedule by an average of 30.2 points per game. Their defense struggled early but allowed only 15 points per game after mid-October. This team will go down as the best Nick Saban team ever and quite possibly the best of the 21st century.

Best team ... from the best coach ... with the best dynasty of the 21st century (at the very least)? Sounds like the best team of the CFP era.


Oof.
Posted by PurpleandGeauld
Florence, TX
Member since Oct 2013
5319 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 1:54 pm to
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Its hard to argue that the 2020 defense was "miles better" when 2019 Alabama's opponents averaged 18.6 points per game and 2020 Alabama's opponents averaged 19.4.
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2019 Bama gave up 19.9 points per game. Not 18.6
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2020 Bama's defense was roughly the same statiscally as the 2019 Bama defense despite playing against covid/opt out depleted teams all year.

Bottom line is 2019 vs 2020 Bama Defense is basically similar at best. At worst, 2020 is a lesser version of 2019 because they faced significantly crappier offenses.

Make no mistake, Burrow and co. would have carved the 2020 Bama D up worse than they did to the 2019 team.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
104987 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 1:59 pm to
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Bottom line is 2019 vs 2020 Bama Defense is basically similar at best.



Not really, 2020 was clearly better than 2019.

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Make no mistake, Burrow and co. would have carved the 2020 Bama D up worse than they did to the 2019 team.



Yea they probably would have. Great offenses generally do that to good, even great, defenses (and Alabama's 2020 defense was very good, but not great) in this day and age.
This post was edited on 2/22/21 at 2:00 pm
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
79468 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:06 pm to
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Make no mistake, Burrow and co. would have carved the 2020 Bama D up worse than they did to the 2019 team.


Possibly.

One thing for sure is Mac Jones and the 2020 Bama offense wouldn't have imploded against LSU like the 2019 offense did.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61132 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:10 pm to
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Bama offense wouldn't have imploded against LSU like the 2019 offense did. ?



How did your offense "implode?"
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
104987 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:11 pm to
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How did your offense "implode?"



Well it gave away 10 points in the 1st half, for one. That was pretty bad.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
79468 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:11 pm to
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How did your offense "implode?"


Seriously?

You've watched that game more times than you can count. You need me to point out the mistakes Alabama made?
Posted by Glorious
Mobile
Member since Aug 2014
25557 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:15 pm to
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Make no mistake, Burrow and co. would have carved the 2020 Bama D up worse than they did to the 2019 team


Maybe. They'd score and score alot. But Bama's problems at ILB were most highlighted during the LSU game. Markail Benton had 19 tackles in 2019 and 8 of them came against LSU. Bama started their 5th best ILB because Shane Lee was a slow true freshman that didnt know the defense. Having him on the field would have been a disaster. CEH's field day was a direct result of that. In 2020, neither Benton nor Lee sniffed the field for Alabama.


I fully believe that 2019 LSU scores 35+ on 2020 Bama. But Bama was significantly better in the front 7 and I personally believe that they would have been able to make more timely stops

Posted by LSUgrad88
Member since Jun 2009
7869 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:23 pm to
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Three wins by single digits?


Such a weak troll. No team, not one, ever had the ball in the fourth quarter against 2019 LSU with a chance to tie or take the lead.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61132 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:25 pm to
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Seriously?

You've watched that game more times than you can count. You need me to point out the mistakes Alabama made?


I'd argue that LSU's "mistakes" were much more costly.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61132 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:28 pm to
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Well it gave away 10 points in the 1st half, for one. That was pretty bad.


How so?
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
100,000 posts
Member since Jan 2007
52907 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:30 pm to
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You know deep down that people will take this season with a grain of salt in the future. You feel disrespected. That’s why you’ve made this thread 5 times now.

Yep
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
79468 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:34 pm to
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I'd argue that LSU's "mistakes" were much more costly.


I'd argue you are a complete fricking idiot if you think that.

Did your QB fumble, untouched, inside the 5 yard line?

Did the LSU punter drop a snap inside his own territory?

Did LSU have 12 men on the field negating an interception?
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61132 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:36 pm to
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I'd argue you are a complete fricking idiot if you think that.

Did your QB fumble, untouched, inside the 5 yard line?

Did the LSU punter drop a snap inside his own territory?

Did LSU have 12 men on the field negating an interception?




We can have a serious discussion about this if you like. Break it down, mistake by mistake.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
104987 posts
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:38 pm to
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No team, not one, ever had the ball in the fourth quarter against 2019 LSU with a chance to tie or take the lead.



That is a very impressive stat.


- Ole Miss' FG with 7 mins left was the last time they had with a chance to tie.

- Florida ran 1 play with 16 seconds left from their own 12 yard line with a chance to tie/win.

I think those are the ones on our end.
This post was edited on 2/22/21 at 2:42 pm
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