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re: Georgia Fans-Explain Kirby Smart to me.

Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:04 pm to
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32854 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:04 pm to
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Not at all what I am saying. But I also believe that if you point to one play as a reason a game is lost, you're ignoring everything else that led to that one play being a deciding factor.


There were also 2 key 15 yard penalties that were missed.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:11 pm to
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He's still learning on the job and young as a head coach. Why can't he learn from his lessons and get better


I'd say this years Sugar Bowl was a perfect example.

He learned his lesson from the Texas game.
and took notice of how many of the departing juniors and seniors
were acting and how some didn't GAS
and he sure as hell wasn't gonna let it happen
vs Baylor. If you didn't GAS he was gonna leave your arse at home and he also wasn't
didn't frick around with the practices...heard they were brutal.
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 1:24 pm
Posted by Leto II
Arrakis
Member since Dec 2018
21280 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:23 pm to
I’d love to have that record at Auburn in that amount of time. There’s only one thing he hasn’t accomplished there.
Posted by CatsGoneWild
Pigeon forge, Tennessee
Member since Jan 2008
13303 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:26 pm to
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Beat the 5th ranked team with 12 starters out and it was a huge game for Baylor


Baylor wasn't the 5th best team in the nation and you know it. They wouldn't have finished 5th in the SEC. Their final ranking was 13th btw. And also, LSU beat the team that beat Baylor twice by 35 points. Baylor was a joke
Posted by remaster916
Alabama
Member since Oct 2012
12221 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:29 pm to
Don't think beating an overmatched Baylor team is a big moment.

Kirby has had 3 big moments at Georgia.

1. Rose Bowl win over OU
2. 17 SEC Title
3. Win at ND in 17

Georgia hasn't done anything the last two years but win a weak East Division.
Posted by SCDawg95
Fayetteville ,NC
Member since Oct 2019
5645 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:42 pm to
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Don't think beating an overmatched Baylor team is a big moment.
we had 12 players out...
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Georgia hasn't done anything the last two years but win a weak East Division.
lol
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:48 pm to
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Baylor wasn't the 5th best team in the nation and you know


bullshite.They were absolutely a top 10 team and their coach was one of the hottest properties in CFB.

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And also, LSU beat the team that beat Baylor twice by 35 points


Are you really playing this transitive property game? Don't be a dumbass but I know that's difficult for you.

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Baylor was a joke



We were a 3pt favorite so apparently the vegas folks didn't think they were a "joke"

So how much money did ya bet on UGA?You obviously made a fortune because you KNEW they were joke, correct?

Did I mention we had are almost entire starting offense out for the game?
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25593 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:58 pm to
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Don't think beating an overmatched Baylor team is a big moment.


Sugar bowl win is a big moment.

You can downplay a top 15 opponent as much as you want. But the sugar bowl matters in this conference. Florida counts sugar bowl wins. Georgia counts sugar bowl wins. It is part of our conference culture.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58909 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:59 pm to
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And our defense actually took a step back from previous years (at least statistically, they got better as the season went on). Not often that a defensive-minded coach will put together the perfect offensive staff immediately: CEO whiffed with Matt Canada and even Saban with Applewhite


I have given that a lot of thought, and I think your defense was just as good, but your offense scored so much and so quickly that it gave the other teams a more opportunities as well. If you watch the LSU defense, they took good angles, and still (as a whole) tackled well, and lined up correctly.

If you watch our Rose Bowl game against Oklahoma you see missed tackles, really bad angles and they continuously lined up poorly. I saw none of that against LSU, and knew we were in trouble, because they played solid defense along with the great offense. Just my opinion. After losing so much talent I think we will see a small step backwards from LSU....but only small because fundamentally they were sound. The real question will be how much affect losing the coaches will make. Brady and Dave Aranda. Losing Aranda might hurt the worst....but I honestly don't know who you replaced him with, so it's hard for me to say. If it is a fundamentally sound coach it might hurt less than some people think.
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
32482 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 2:07 pm to
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2019
Lost to #1 LSU
Beat #6 Florida, #12 Notre Dame, #13 Baylor, and #14 Auburn.





Why was the South Carolina loss left out here?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58909 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 2:08 pm to
As much guff as LSU took for hiring Orgeron, it turned out to be a stroke of genius. Just because a team is a coaches dream job does not necessarily mean success. However, LSU was Orgeron's dream job and was a perfect cultural fit. He lived the Louisiana culture and could easily identify with Louisiana kids.

He then put his ego aside and hired coaches to do a job, then got out of the way and allowed them to do what they were paid to do. I give him a ton of credit. I think we will see LSU have an extended run of great football with Orgeron at the helm.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58909 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 2:10 pm to
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Why was the South Carolina loss left out here?

Because he was recounting results from ranked teams? Did you really not understand that?

Crap. Orgeron lost to Troy....does that make him a bad coach?
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
32482 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 2:12 pm to
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. I think we will see LSU have an extended run of great football with Orgeron at the helm.



Orgeron has at least one more NC in him.



And his desire to prove everyone wrong may lead to more than that.


He doesn't want to just be the best coach in LSU history, he wants to join the upper tier of SEC and National coaches with Bear and Saban.


Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
143616 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 2:14 pm to
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I wouldn't trade Kirby for Ed O right now. Kirby will finish his career with more championships than Ed O will.


Bahahhahahahhahahahahhahaha
Posted by CatsGoneWild
Pigeon forge, Tennessee
Member since Jan 2008
13303 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 2:15 pm to
Beating uga was as easy as beating Oklahoma, so I guess uga and Baylor are pretty even talent wise. Wow, how uga fans have fallen. They think beating Baylor is a huge deal
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32854 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 2:19 pm to
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Beating uga was as easy as beating Oklahoma,


Dumb or troll?
Posted by CatsGoneWild
Pigeon forge, Tennessee
Member since Jan 2008
13303 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 2:32 pm to
We beat Oklahoma by 35 and uga by 27. Not much difference. Both of those teams were easy wins
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25593 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 2:47 pm to
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1. He's an ELITE recruiter.


Correct. He is at another level than Richt.
It started with Smart's 2017 class but really elevated above that with 2018, 2019, and 2020.

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2. He's a very solid developer of talent.

Defensively, he is elite at developing talent.
Dominic Sanders was a low 3 star. He received 2nd and 3rd team all conference awards. And finished as tied as the All Time UGA Interception leader at 16.

Deandre Baker. Mid-3 star recruit. All American first team. Jim Thorpe winner.

Tae Crowder. 2 star recruit (RB/WR). 14 game starter at ILB for one of the best UGA defensive units ever (only played the position for 2 years).

Eric Stokes. mid 3 star. 2nd team all conference. Went 15 games without allowing a TD (baylor got one in sugar bowl).

JR Reed. low 3 star. 1st team all american. finalist for bronko nagurski

Jordan Davis. high 3 star. Freshman All American. Preseason all conference lists for 2020

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4. He's likely to struggle with teams with equal talent.


The "equal talent" is a misnomer. There is a difference between talented freshmen and sophomores. And there is a difference between talented upperclassmen.
Joe Burrow is the perfect example. Burrow was 24 years old when he won the national championship.
How good was he when he was 18, 19, 20, or 21? You don't think the fact that he was starting off in college when some of his opponents were still in middle school makes a difference?

UGA's 2018 #1 class in the country will be upperclassmen for the first time in 2020.
The 2020 roster has 20 upper-class starters out of 26 possible positions (starter for sam, nickel, dime, punter, place kicker inclusive of those 26 spots).

If you don't think that leadership matters when you are dealing with 18-22 year olds (or 24 year olds as was the case with Burrow), then we aren't watching the same sport. Georgia made a run in 2017 when the talented junior class returned for their senior seasons. 2020 will be very similar in terms of upper-class leadership.
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5. He chokes in big moments. He's just not a great game day coach.

Agree to disagree. On the other "top coaches to never have won a NC", Smart was 11-1 against those opponents.
Great gameday coach Dan Mullen hasn't put up more than 17 points against a Kirby defense since 2008. Riley got outcoached (not out-talented).

The reality is that Kirby's past 4 year history is history.
2020 is the most talented team that Kirby has had to date (20 upper-class starters from classes that ranked #3 and #1 in the country).
The only talent questionmarks are depth at OL and DB.
The coaching questionmarks are large with Monken. But this is now LSUs formula in the Red and Black.
Kirby isn't afraid to do what it takes.





Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 2:51 pm to
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They think beating Baylor is a huge deal


Did ya read what I posted?

I said the game was a "huge deal" for Baylor and their coach..It was only their 2nd NY6 bowl in the last 40 years.

Never once did I say it was a "huge deal"
for UGA.
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 2:53 pm
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
39993 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 2:53 pm to
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Beating uga was as easy as beating Oklahoma,


Yeah, I can see how you would think that 17-3 at the half with the game within reach would be similar to the arse whipping laid on OU that was 49-14 at the half and your back ups playing the second half.
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