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Georgia - Clemson or Bama?
Posted on 1/14/23 at 8:11 am
Posted on 1/14/23 at 8:11 am
With the possible Schuman hire at Bama there’s lots of talk of Georgia being the new Bama/surpassing Bama. While I’m sure a lot of this is Georgia having its fun after going back to back (deservedly so), what’s the consensus?
I think Kirby has the chance to lead the next dynasty. Definitely on the right track. Doing the right things. As of now though he’s still in Clemson territory. Everyone thought Clemson would be the new kings and Bama was done. Appearing in the title game 2015-2019 and winning it twice in that span (over Alabama like Georgia). We all know where they are now.
Can Georgia stay “hot” or will the territory of being at the top (staff turnover, being the hunted and not the hunter, complacency, etc) take its toll? If they are considered to be in the Clemson status, what will it take for Georgia to pass that?
I think Kirby has the chance to lead the next dynasty. Definitely on the right track. Doing the right things. As of now though he’s still in Clemson territory. Everyone thought Clemson would be the new kings and Bama was done. Appearing in the title game 2015-2019 and winning it twice in that span (over Alabama like Georgia). We all know where they are now.
Can Georgia stay “hot” or will the territory of being at the top (staff turnover, being the hunted and not the hunter, complacency, etc) take its toll? If they are considered to be in the Clemson status, what will it take for Georgia to pass that?
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 8:14 am to GAFF
I think the years of working with Saban have an impact on Kirby to not let that complacency happen, at least anytime soon.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 8:26 am to GAFF
CFB is fickle. I hope Kirby will be able to maintain it, but it is definitely not a certainty. My bet is he retires at 60 (13 years from now) with 4-5 titles
Posted on 1/14/23 at 9:02 am to GAFF
Clemson has been great over the last decade but it seems most of their best years were due to having electric QBs like Watson and Lawrence. They are relying on a few superstars to get them across the finish line and that isn’t sustainable.
In 2022 UGA relied on a “no-name defense” and in 2022, a bunch of players on offense that weren’t highly recruited to win championships.
UGA is building a machine similar to Saban’s, and I think that is more sustainable.
In 2022 UGA relied on a “no-name defense” and in 2022, a bunch of players on offense that weren’t highly recruited to win championships.
UGA is building a machine similar to Saban’s, and I think that is more sustainable.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 9:10 am
Posted on 1/14/23 at 9:50 am to GAFF
College football is a talent acquisition game. Period. Full stop.
So far, in this new NIL/portal age, no one has played that game better than Kirby.
He'll keep UGA in the hunt for a long time with the Jimmy's and Joe's that he pulls into the program.
So far, in this new NIL/portal age, no one has played that game better than Kirby.
He'll keep UGA in the hunt for a long time with the Jimmy's and Joe's that he pulls into the program.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 9:55 am to GAFF
Eh, it's hard to say, but I think KS is doing all the right things. Dabo tried to do what Saban and Smart has done, stick with regular ol HS recruits and developing them from the ground up. But to do that successfully, you have to recruit at a very, VERY high level. Clemson recruits well but they haven't been able to match Bama and UGA. But then, no one has been able to do that.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:08 am to GAFF
I think it all depends on the hires that Kirby makes. Kirby has lost a number of assistants and coordinators the last few years, and it appears he will continue to do so. This is very similar to what happened at Alabama 2010-2018. During this period, for the most part, Saban was able to plug in very capable replacements. Just as Kirby has done. But IMO Saban’s hiring of Golding was a mistake. Golding is not horrible, probably above average. But not great, or else he would have been lured away years ago (re: Kiffen, Cristobal, Kirby, Pruitt, McElwain, Locksley; etc., etc.). His leaky third down defense and porous 4th quarter defense cost Alabama a number of games. He cost Alabama a shot at a chance for a national championship this year.
Kirby is seeing the same type of year after year attrition to his staff that Alabama has had. If Kirby can continue to bat 100% on his hires he absolutely can surpass Saban.
But that is a lot easier said than done.
Kirby is seeing the same type of year after year attrition to his staff that Alabama has had. If Kirby can continue to bat 100% on his hires he absolutely can surpass Saban.
But that is a lot easier said than done.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:29 am to GAFF
I doubt Schumann is gonna be going to Bama. If so, it's because we won't put the money up for him to retain both he and Will.
They are lableled as Co DCs so they can pay Will what he would command in salary, but I think Schumann is closer to the actual DC. He's already been on some HCing short lists. No real reason for him to leave.
They are lableled as Co DCs so they can pay Will what he would command in salary, but I think Schumann is closer to the actual DC. He's already been on some HCing short lists. No real reason for him to leave.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:30 am to GAFF
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here’s lots of talk of Georgia being the new Bama/surpassing Bama.
Didn't that already happen?
Georgia is currently at the top of CFB...as much as I hate it.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 10:31 am
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:45 am to GAFF
Reality is we are built to last. Clemson never was. Would not say we have surpassed Bama but we are 100% equal now imo.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:46 am to GAFF
Georgia is the new Georgia,nothing to do with bama. With Dawgs being on top, the college football world is in its rightful order.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:59 am to GAFF
Most folks have no clue what it takes to maintain the intensity and consistency to stay at a championship level like Bama-Saban for 15 years. Staff turnover, losing stars to the NFL EVERY year, dealing with 5-star egos and wack thinking of 18-22 year old young men. It’s not as easy as Saban has made it look.
Many coaches and programs can and have been shooting stars for a few years. It takes a uniquely driven individual to maintain it, and Saban is one of the few to ever do it. Can Kirby? Maybe. We’ll see.
Many coaches and programs can and have been shooting stars for a few years. It takes a uniquely driven individual to maintain it, and Saban is one of the few to ever do it. Can Kirby? Maybe. We’ll see.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:24 am to GAFF
Without a doubt, UGA will be the team to beat, although I have a feeling Saban will Grind out one more Natty because he’s still the GOAT, but Georgia is clicking on all cylinders and it’s not some fluke.
Clemson gained advantage of having an easy road & schedule & had Watson, who was just a winner and a fighter. And of course, had a top 2 DC that is no longer there, Dabo won’t return to that level of success again, Venebles was a huge reason they won.
Clemson gained advantage of having an easy road & schedule & had Watson, who was just a winner and a fighter. And of course, had a top 2 DC that is no longer there, Dabo won’t return to that level of success again, Venebles was a huge reason they won.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:29 am to captdalton
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But IMO Saban’s hiring of Golding was a mistake. ... He cost Alabama a shot at a chance for a national championship this year.
I think depending on Bryce Young to carry the team was what cost Alabama in 2021 and 2022. Without quality depth at WR and RB Young was merely average. The Heisman Committee followed the hype in naming Young in 2021. The Heisman Committee should call it the Most Popular Player instead of Most Outstanding Player.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:30 am to GAFF
Smart definately has the potential to surpass Saban in a few areas. It will all depend on keeping recruiting levels high and keeping the 2's and 3's on the roster. I just feel that these 4 and 5 star kids are not going to sit a year or two when they know they can start at another school. The Portal has given them too many opportunities to transfer to play immediately. Also, once you are at the top, asst coaches want to be head coaches. So being able to plug a new coordinator or assistant into your program and continue success is what Saban has been very lucky to accomplish. Only time will tell. But Smart is off to a good start.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 11:31 am
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:30 am to GAFF
Kirby would've been in every CFP since he's been at Georgia if UGA was gifted the ACC schedule the Upstate school played. UGA wouldn't have needed the Ostarine to win, either.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:36 am to 1801
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Kirby would've been in every CFP since he's been at Georgia if UGA was gifted the ACC schedule the Upstate school played.
With the move to a 12 team playoff, it's hard to imagine UGA not making it in for the foreseeable future. Kirby will get a shot every single year.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:42 am to GAFF
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I think Kirby has the chance to lead the next dynasty. Definitely on the right track. Doing the right things. As of now though he’s still in Clemson territory. Everyone thought Clemson would be the new kings and Bama was done.
This is what all of us Georgia fans need to remember. What's happened the last two seasons is amazing. I never dreamed it was possible. But Clemson looked for a minute like the team that would supplant Alabama. Look at them now.
Alabama is Alabama. Georgia, right now, is where Clemson was a few years ago. I think Kirby has the right stuff to go a level or two up. Getting to Saban/Bama level is still a ways off.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:47 am to Knowshon5Dolla
Bama has 3 NC in last 10 years. If Kirby gets another in next 3 years he has UGA at “Bamas level”. Same for Dabo and Clemson, If they win another in next few years they are at “Bamas level”. 3 NC in a 10 year or so period is Bama level.
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