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re: Gary Danielson: Among SEC teams, Auburn has the best shot at beating Alabama
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:54 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:54 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Jalen Hurts was 14/18 (78%) vs Fresno State and he's far from a pinpoint passer.
Shea Patterson was 28/35 (80%) vs South Alabama. Danny Etling was 14/17 (82%) vs BYU
Kyle Shurmur was 15/18 (83%) vs Alabama A&M
You forgot Jake Fromm 9/12 (75%) vs Miss State
Hell even Lambert from 2015 was 24/25 (96%) vs South Carolina, and he wasn't even good.
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 12:22 am to UGADawg912
Yeah I get there are outliers but I mean.. It's obvious to anyone who cares to look how accurate Stidham is. His ball placement is about as good as it gets. I think it's fairly objective to make that statement. He throws a tight spiral with great touch, which often gets overlooked when discussing quarterbacks. He has good arm strength, but it's not necessarily about how hard you can throw it as much as it is about hitting guys in stride, away from the defender and with good timing. This is probably Stidham's strongest asset.
He's accurate with the deep ball, but he has room for improvement. I'd like to see him display more patience and lead the receiver a bit more on deep routes, but as I said earlier, that should improve with time and comfort level when things slow down for him. His main issue is that he has some happy feet that he needs to work on. Some of these premature scrambles may stem from RPO principles that I'm not as familiar with, but against Clemson everything seemed to be moving too fast for him to keep his composure. It looked like he was taking off after one read, and while he can run, he's not really a creator with his legs by any means.
Learning to step up in the pocket when pressure comes off the edge, understanding the right moment to scramble and not give up on the play, etc. are things that will hopefully come soon. He's kept his eyes down the field when pressured/rolling out the last two games, which is one of those things that's encouraging no matter the opponent.
I'm just glad to finally have a quarterback capable of converting in third and long situations and extending drives while also being a threat to stretch the field vertically, a critical aspect of Gus' system, with a relative amount of consistency. He's an exciting QB prospect with real potential, which is something we're not historically inundated with at Auburn.
He's accurate with the deep ball, but he has room for improvement. I'd like to see him display more patience and lead the receiver a bit more on deep routes, but as I said earlier, that should improve with time and comfort level when things slow down for him. His main issue is that he has some happy feet that he needs to work on. Some of these premature scrambles may stem from RPO principles that I'm not as familiar with, but against Clemson everything seemed to be moving too fast for him to keep his composure. It looked like he was taking off after one read, and while he can run, he's not really a creator with his legs by any means.
Learning to step up in the pocket when pressure comes off the edge, understanding the right moment to scramble and not give up on the play, etc. are things that will hopefully come soon. He's kept his eyes down the field when pressured/rolling out the last two games, which is one of those things that's encouraging no matter the opponent.
I'm just glad to finally have a quarterback capable of converting in third and long situations and extending drives while also being a threat to stretch the field vertically, a critical aspect of Gus' system, with a relative amount of consistency. He's an exciting QB prospect with real potential, which is something we're not historically inundated with at Auburn.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 12:55 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 5:40 am to Bench McElroy
Yeah, no. Auburn will get beat thoroughly by Bama and UGA. We are the only team that has a shot at Bama.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 6:35 am to AUsteriskPride
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45/54 81.5% comp, 582 yards...
So everything is improving, along with how the offense is called. But I get it, it's Auburn, so flame away.
Against Mercer and Missouri? That shows improvement?
I actually think Auburn is better than they have been showing, but lets not say improvement is obvious based on playing a tiny school that has had football for 4 years and possibly the worse defensive team in Div. 1 football.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 6:37 am to stevo1905
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Yeah I get there are outliers but I mean.. It's obvious to anyone who cares to look how accurate Stidham is.
If he has time. The key isn't Stidham. The key is your Oline. If it improves you will be fine. If not...
ETA
When pressured his accuracy, shall we say....suffers. It is very difficult to complete passes while laying on your back.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 6:39 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 6:52 am to stevo1905
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A bit of a tangent I guess, but I hate that this keeps happening. It's been more frequent since the SEC Network launched
Yes, I agree. I liked it better when Bama and Auburn never played at the same time. A lot of weeks I could watch both games live. That being said there were some times that one or the other was not even on tv. All games are on tv now, so that is an improvement. I could watch a replay of Auburn and Mercer, but I chose not do it. As you know it is not the same when you already know the outcome.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:30 am to Bench McElroy
Georgia is the most complete team next to Bama.
Auburn doesn't have the offense to beat Bama and will likely end up with 2-3 more losses
Auburn doesn't have the offense to beat Bama and will likely end up with 2-3 more losses
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:12 am to deltaland
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Georgia is the most complete team next to Bama.
Definitely right now. I'm not sold on UGA overall, but they certainly deserve #2. My gut is that AU may have slightly higher upside than UGA this season, but UGA already appears to be much further along than we are. I think we may be able to compete with them head to head by November, but I'm not sure it's realistic we could catch them from an overall season performance metric.
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Auburn doesn't have the offense to beat Bama and will likely end up with 2-3 more losses
I think it'll depend on whether the offense can get rolling and avoid key injuries. Even in his current mediocre state, Gus teams tend to get on a little bit of a roll, and recently that has been derailed by major injuries or other personnel issues.
I think it's very reasonable to project Auburn going 9-3/8-4, but even so, I'm not sure that means we can't compete with Alabama at the end of the year. I don't expect to beat Bama given what we know right now, but there is a big difference between going into the Iron Bowl with a hot and cold, good but not great team, and a team missing key players that has no identity on offense. The former still gives you a shot.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:18 am to Pettifogger
If the running game clicks, watch out.... I just don't have faith that it will this year like it did last year. The OL as a whole has taken a step back, from 2016... and signs aren't really pointing to them improving all that much.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:36 am to lowspark12
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If the running game clicks, watch out.... I just don't have faith that it will this year like it did last year. The OL as a whole has taken a step back, from 2016... and signs aren't really pointing to them improving all that much.
This week is important. I'm not claiming AU is a top 10 team based on Mercer and Missouri.
But, Auburn had Mercer and Missouri to figure out an offense. We piled up yards on Mercer, Stidham worked a ton on progressing through reads, and in that sense, the offense did what it needed to do. We also turned the ball over 6 times, which is disastrous but probably won't happen again this season. Had we turned the ball over 2 times, we probably win in much more traditional fashion and unless you watched the game, you wouldn't know Auburn's offense still looked clunky, if improved.
Moving on to Mizzou, it's the same thing. Offense piles up yards and points. Sure, it's Mizzou, but obviously we could have named the score in that game and probably put up 600 yards without breaking a sweat. But more importantly, the offense smoothed itself out from Mercer. Plays developed faster, Stidham got the ball out faster and progressed through reads a lot faster. A much more complete game, despite it being a very bad opponent.
Anyway, point is that while doing those things against those teams aren't much to brag about, they are exactly what we needed to do if we're going to get this offense clicking by the heart of the schedule. It's yet to be seen whether we can do it against better teams, but nonetheless, those were the steps we had to take if we want a shot to compete this year.
All that said, I'm very concerned about MSU. I don't think they're as good as they looked against LSU, but I think UGA got them on the bounce back in what could end up being the worst game MSU plays all season. I expect to see a better MSU team Saturday, so it'll should be a solid measure of whether there is any reason for hope this year.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:16 am to Pettifogger
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I think it's very reasonable to project Auburn going 9-3/8-4,
Auburn, this year, is a very difficult team to pigeonhole. I could see them beating everybody on their schedule, the rest of the year. I could also see them losing 4 more games. For me it is Auburn and Texas A&M that are hard to call. I suspect Auburn is much better than A&M, but I would hate to have money on it. My gut feeling is both are good teams, but I feel more confident that Auburn will have a great year.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:38 am to Bench McElroy
Bama will set an NCAA single game record when they play Auburn and sack Stidham 22 times.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:59 am to Bench McElroy
quote:What a sad statement about the state of the SEC. Alabama, then 13 teams forming a giant pile of shite.
Auburn has the best shot at beating Alabama
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:06 am to DawgsLife
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Auburn, this year, is a very difficult team to pigeonhole. I could see them beating everybody on their schedule, the rest of the year. I could also see them losing 4 more games. For me it is Auburn and Texas A&M that are hard to call. I suspect Auburn is much better than A&M, but I would hate to have money on it. My gut feeling is both are good teams, but I feel more confident that Auburn will have a great year.
I have low confidence Auburn will have a great year, but I agree it's more likely than A&M.
The mediocrity of the O line bothers me, but I do somewhat like where we're at at QB. Whereas last year we had White, a streaky good player who battled injury and so-so options behind him and no apparent gameplan for either, I feel like Stidham is having the offense built around him a little more and Gus, for his faults, could probably put together a limited but effective gameplan for Malik if needed.
Of course, we need to see the Stidham offense continue improving against better opponents, and injuries or coaching stupidity could keep us firmly planted in mediocrity.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:17 am to Bench McElroy
That's the beauty part here. We don't have to speculate. Auburn will play both thUGA and Bama. So we'll find out.
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