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re: Former US Attorney on AU wiretap claims (Sticky)
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:23 pm to Roaad
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:23 pm to Roaad
Tuna isn't even a source, he compiled message board speculation from several boards into one semi coherent story.
And while his efforts are valiant measures to reduce the number of threads asking questions about Rumor X, it isn't something you can really cite.
And while his efforts are valiant measures to reduce the number of threads asking questions about Rumor X, it isn't something you can really cite.
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Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:23 pm to cyde
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Bad analogy, by the way.
No, it's really not.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:24 pm to Ross
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No, it's really not.
Yeah, it really is.
Tell me how you get from 'cynical' to 'murderous' and how many steps you had to skip to get there.
Sell me on it being a good analogy.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:25 pm to Roaad
Tuna credible????????????????????? 
I assume you are joking. If not you are in the running for biggest dumbass on TD.
Tuna quoted a bunch of BOL shite. Stuff from a gump message boards that are too stupid to get very simple facts right that are common knowledge to many.
I assume you are joking. If not you are in the running for biggest dumbass on TD.
Tuna quoted a bunch of BOL shite. Stuff from a gump message boards that are too stupid to get very simple facts right that are common knowledge to many.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:25 pm to Roaad
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So. . .this guy should be deemed credible, because you don't find Tuna credible?
lol, wut?
No, I'm saying he didnt question ANY of what Tuna says, a person a message board that got all of this from a Bama message board.
But he questions the word of somebody who should have more credibility than a poster on a message board
BTW Rooaad, weren't you the one who had the logic that if a client is sitting by his laywer, he HAS to be telling the truth? (Rogers)
Not saying Rogers was lying, but clients lie in the presence all the freaking time. I hope you are that naive to think just b/c somebody is sitting by their lawyer they wont lie.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:25 pm to Ross
quote:right.
Tuna isn't even a source, he compiled message board speculation from several boards into one semi coherent story.
ChopBlockFan just used Tuna's lack of cred to support the cred of some other guy.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:26 pm to cyde
You say you are a member of the court of public opinion, which I read as the collective opinions of the public in relation to this story.
If the collective mentality of the people is a "guilty until proven innocent" mentality, that is synonymous with a lynch mob mentality.
We must define lynch mob mentality, which is simply:
Facts be damned, speculation dictates that this person is guilty and we shall hang him for it in mob fashion.
If the collective mentality of the people is a "guilty until proven innocent" mentality, that is synonymous with a lynch mob mentality.
We must define lynch mob mentality, which is simply:
Facts be damned, speculation dictates that this person is guilty and we shall hang him for it in mob fashion.
This post was edited on 11/19/10 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:26 pm to Alahunter
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Alahunter
YGM
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:27 pm to Ross
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If the collective mentality of the people is a "guilty until proven innocent" mentality, that is synonymous with a lynch mob mentality.
Now THIS is a quality analogy.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:28 pm to CFBFAN1121
quote:So?
No, I'm saying he didnt question ANY of what Tuna says
Because of that, some other schmuck has instant credibility?
quote:I said he is more likely to be telling the truth.
BTW Rooaad, weren't you the one who had the logic that if a client is sitting by his laywer, he HAS to be telling the truth?
quote:Ok, so?
Not saying Rogers was lying, but clients lie in the presence all the freaking time.
Considering that particular situation, do you find my conclusion invalid?
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:30 pm to Ross
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If the collective mentality of the people is a "guilty until proven innocent" mentality, that is synonymous with a lynch mob mentality.
The problem is that, in the collective mentality of people, it requires far less evidence (in some cases, if any) to convince them of the guilt or innocence of the person on trial.
In fact, it's usually the side with the better story who prevails.
In any event, you're skipping the step in your analogy which takes a regular crowd of laymen with opinions and turns them murderous.
There's an aspect missing here. If I'm part of a collective with a lynch mob mentality, then where are the pitchforks and torches?
I'm not sold. Mainly, I'm not sold because I'm sitting at home, not marching on Auburn.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:31 pm to cyde
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then where are the pitchforks and torches?
I can break out a really corny line here...
People's words are the pitchforks and Auburn's reputation is the accused.
I'm out of this thread.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:32 pm to Roaad
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I said he is more likely to be telling the truth.
So if Cecil Newton is sitting by his lawyer and says he didnt take money for Au, Are you still going to have the opinion that he's 'most likely telling the truth'?
Hell no. This is my point, you guys already have your mind made up so when a poster comes and post some of the most outlandish things I've ever heard , you 100% believe it.
But when somebody try to dispute it , you dont wanna hear it at all
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:33 pm to Ross
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People's words are the pitchforks and Auburn's reputation is the accused.
And your analogy is a clever little piece of intellectual dishonesty intended to indict me of the crime of merely having an opinion which differs from yours.
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I'm out of this thread.
Yeah, same.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:34 pm to CFBFAN1121
quote:On a national radio show, after being interviewed by the FBI during an ongoing investigation with full knowledge of perjury?
So if Cecil Newton is sitting by his lawyer and says he didnt take money for Au
Yup. . .I'd say he is more likely telling the truth than not.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:34 pm to cyde
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And your analogy is a clever little piece of intellectual dishonesty intended to indict me of the crime of merely having an opinion which differs from yours.
Last word and I'm out, promise
Innocent until proven guilty mentality > Guilty until proven innocent mentality.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:36 pm to Ross
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We must define lynch mob mentality, which is simply:
Facts be damned, speculation dictates that this person is guilty and we shall hang him for it in mob fashion.
Well, you've just proven that what's going on here is not lynch mob mentality. Almost no one is stating that Auburn should be hung before a trial.
In the eyes of the law, Auburn is innocent until proven guilty. But the fact of the matter is, individuals that observe the law as they build a case form opinions based on things that are reported. I will guaranty that you, as well as all your Aub buddies have formed opinions based on reports (some factual, some not) in past cases. Doesn't mean you have lynch mob mentality, just that you are human.
OJ Simpson was found "Not Guilty". In the eyes of the law, he was this. But, to the casual observer, the facts of the case showed overwhelmingly the opposite.
I'm sure you never formed an opinion on his innocence, right?
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:36 pm to CFBFAN1121
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No, I'm saying he didnt question ANY of what Tuna says, a person a message board that got all of this from a Bama message board.
Ok, first you're wrong here. As his original post states, he got it from the other stickied thread and basically just made a summarization of what was posted in that thread.
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But he questions the word of somebody who should have more credibility than a poster on a message board
Second... I'm touched to know how much you value my opinion on whether or not I think allegations are true or false. Really.
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Not saying Rogers was lying, but clients lie in the presence all the freaking time. I hope you are that naive to think just b/c somebody is sitting by their lawyer they wont lie.
And lawyers don't tell the whole truth if it hurts their client. Jones defended a guy who was convicted of receiving illegal gambling benefits. His lawyer friend is now defending the owner of the gambling establishment, who happens to be under indictment, for the same thing HIS client is under indictment for.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:37 pm to Bellabama
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Bellabama
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YGM
Won't be home for bout an hour, will check it a.s.a.p.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 8:38 pm to Ross
quote:What makes AU so special that this should only apply to them?
Innocent until proven guilty mentality
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