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Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:28 pm to OldSchoolHorn
I don’t toe the party line though. So we are good. 
From a family of fighters.
From a family of fighters.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:30 pm to GatorsGators
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but the definition of sex is what parts you have and the definition of gender is the societal norms and expectations associated with your parts. One is biological; the other is social
I would like to know when this started being parroted by normal people. It's like the myth that Ole Miss has the hottest girls. Someone says it over and over and then a few more blindly start repeating it without ever bothering to look. This "definition" was literally fabricated to push an agenda.
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The Oxford Etymological Dictionary of the English Language of 1882 defined gender as kind, breed, sex, derived from the Latin ablative case of genus, like genere natus, which refers to birth.
You can not separate biological sex from gender. I don't care what the mega liberals have attempted to change the definition to.
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Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:32 pm to Tuscaloosa
Do you believe in prescriptive or descriptive language?
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:34 pm to WildcatMike
He’s life why should I care? If he’s happy doesn’t matter what I think.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:35 pm to Gcockboi
Yikes
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:36 pm to GatorsGators
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Do you believe in prescriptive or descriptive language?
I believe people attempting to push the idea that "gender identity" is synonymous with gender are ill informed, far left liberals with an agenda.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:39 pm to GatorsGators
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I am a college-educated person under thirty, though, unlike most of this board, and thus have been exposed to people different than me in my life
Let me point out a few things.
1. You'er not entirely wrong but you position and reasoning for that position is wrong.
2. Your post above comes off as you feeling you're superior based on a college education that I'd imagine more than 3/4's this board has. Regardless whether or not they even attended a class on a college campus, most on here have been exposed to trans, gay, LGBTQA+ individuals or seen enough in the tabloids.
3. I'd argue the gender fluidity and Binary/non-binary movements that latched on to the transgender individuals have done more harm than good.
4. You appear to be taking the stance that Gender and Sex are two different things and that Gender is a social construct. For something to be a social construct it must first be a norm. Gender does not fit that criteria.
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It just takes a little bit more of deeper thought than most are willing to use
5. That gets me to my fifth and final point. If the movement wants deeper thought and yet keep denying that trans, and the "other infinite genders" are mental disorders then explain to me why before a Trans individual can start hormone therapy they must first consult a series of physicians including a psychiatrists and or psychologist. They must be cleared for mental disorders, explained the side affects, possible permanent changes, small chances of never being able to reproduce, and show that they are true in their transition. In addition most are prescribed anti-depressants due to an increase in mood swings from hormonal imbalance caused by the introduction of additional doses of estrogen or testosterone. So if we are gonna talk about involving deeper thought then you can't drink the glass half full.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:40 pm to OldSchoolHorn
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do you really believe gender dysphoria is a mental disorder?
Yes.
It is no different than a person having an aversion to a part of their body and harming it to force amputation.
Cut your own leg off, mental issues.
Cut your dick off, applause.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:41 pm to Gcockboi
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punter transitioning into Brandy Wing
The ultimate roughing the kicker call
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:42 pm to GatorsGators
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Do you believe in prescriptive or descriptive language?
You keep avoiding what I’m telling you. OK Boomer don’t fly with me. I’m probably 5-10 years older than you.
WTF do you mean in the above quote?
Tell me what it means if you are born with a penis or a vagina. Explain to me what is complicated about that truth.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:42 pm to Gcockboi
Thanks Obama
This would never happen with a punter who played in Trump's America
This would never happen with a punter who played in Trump's America
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:43 pm to Tuscaloosa
quote:You didn't answer my question.
I believe people attempting to push the idea that "gender identity" is synonymous with gender are ill informed, far left liberals with an agenda.
The current Oxford English Dictionary, not the OED from 130 years ago, defines gender as:
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The state of being male or female as expressed by social or cultural distinctions and differences, rather than biological ones; the collective attributes or traits associated with a particular sex, or determined as a result of one's sex. Also: a (male or female) group characterized in this way.
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It's true that the current definition of gender didn't exist until the 1950s. But language evolves and there are hundreds of words that we use today that didn't exist in the 1950s. If you want to be a staunch prescriptivist and insist that the version of English used in the 1880s was the proper form of English, be my guest, but I'd guess you wouldn't fully be on board with all of the consequences that would follow.
Again, I wouldn't argue that gender and sex are disconnected, at all. I think they're very connected, and again, gender fluidity, for the most part, in my opinion, is bullshite. But, in 2020, with the way we use the words are used today, there is a distinction. And I don't really give a shite if anyone whose sex is male wants his or her gender to be the opposite of his or her sex. Live and let live.
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Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:45 pm to GatorsGators
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I am a college-educated person under thirty, though, unlike most of this board, and thus have been exposed to people different than me in my life
This is a really dumb way to start a rant considering the majority of people on here are college-educated and under 40.
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I think gender fluidity is mostly bullshite, and I think it's silly for people to want to put a label on every single idiosyncrasy that exists, but saying that sex is related to biology and that gender is related to the societal norms we impose onto sex isn't exactly a controversial or progressive take.
If this is simply about feeling like a specific gender, then why do so many trannies go through sex change ops and hormone treatments to change their sexual characteristics? This is a distinction without a difference.
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Brady Wing wanting to live as a woman ain't hurting anyone. Live and let live. Equating that to some deviant wanting to live as a two-year-old girl is a low-IQ move. One is harmless; the other isn't
(1) It is when most places of discourse are starting to mandate as a requirement to enter the conversation that you acknowledge the lie that a tranny is the sex they aren't, and will ban you for refusing to participate in the lie by calling them their actual sex. This is no-shite what the Soviets did to break resistance to their cultural dictates: make everyone say something they know to be a lie, force them to surrender their conscience by participating in something they know to be wrong. The application might be more innocuous than the Soviets' use of the technique, but it should not be a requirement of entry into polite society that you knowingly participate in a lie.
(2) 41% of trannies kill themselves. Wing wanting to live as a woman is hurting someone: Wing. And the social damage done by the erosion of truth and reality through this mass delusion of accepting every last mental derangement under the sun does hurt everyone in society. Truth is fundamental to a functioning society. Efforts to erode it hurt that society.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:45 pm to Wild Thang
quote:My response to you was a direct response to you. The bit about prescriptive vs. descriptive language was to Tuscaloosa, who referenced a dictionary from the 1880s like it matters today.
You keep avoiding what I’m telling you. OK Boomer don’t fly with me. I’m probably 5-10 years older than you.
WTF do you mean in the above quote?
Tell me what it means if you are born with a penis or a vagina. Explain to me what is complicated about that truth.
To you -- yes, everyone is born with a penis or a vagina. And, yes, that means everyone's sex is either male or female depending on whether he or she has a penis or a vagina. But you've said nothing of gender at this point.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:48 pm to Gcockboi
He’s not a tranny, he’s supposedly going to be a rapper. Stop y’all’s foolishness.
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Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:49 pm to The Pirate King
I think this thread stopped being about Brad Wing a while ago 
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:56 pm to Gcockboi
Brandy, you’re a fine girl
What a good wife you would be
What a good wife you would be
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:56 pm to memphisplaya
quote:I don't feel "superior" based on having been exposed to people different than me, but I do think that actually having a variety of experiences has made me more empathetic.
2. Your post above comes off as you feeling you're superior based on a college education that I'd imagine more than 3/4's this board has. Regardless whether or not they even attended a class on a college campus, most on here have been exposed to trans, gay, LGBTQA+ individuals or seen enough in the tabloids.
I was also a missionary in a foreign country for a year. Again, not feeling superior, just giving some insight as to what has informed my worldviews. You don't connect to people you see on TV or in the tabloids.
quote:Gender was never a social norm? I'd like to hear that argument expanded.
4. You appear to be taking the stance that Gender and Sex are two different things and that Gender is a social construct. For something to be a social construct it must first be a norm. Gender does not fit that criteria.
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5. That gets me to my fifth and final point. If the movement wants deeper thought and yet keep denying that trans, and the "other infinite genders" are mental disorders then explain to me why before a Trans individual can start hormone therapy they must first consult a series of physicians including a psychiatrists and or psychologist. They must be cleared for mental disorders, explained the side affects, possible permanent changes, small chances of never being able to reproduce, and show that they are true in their transition. In addition most are prescribed anti-depressants due to an increase in mood swings from hormonal imbalance caused by the introduction of additional doses of estrogen or testosterone. So if we are gonna talk about involving deeper thought then you can't drink the glass half full.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything here. But if we're going to have these discussions seriously we need to be coming from a place of empathy, not scorn, and that's not where most on the conservative side right now are. So many in this thread are trying to act like the primary reason they're against people identifying as transgender is because they're worried about the mental health of these people, when, let's be honest, most are forrestwhitakerisgood who are afraid of them because they're different and they saw a video of one twerking on a toddler.
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:57 pm to CNB
Yeah who cares about Wing's impression of Kate McKinnon's impression of Justin Bieber
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 11:03 pm
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