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For those knocking kids who leave before bowl
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:17 pm
I get the whole team thing and agree somewhat, but this provides a different perspective. Hard to argue with this. Sure some of the others are in a similar spot. Risking generational money for a bowl game is a tough decision to make.
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Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:17 pm to MetryMauler
Can't say I wouldn't do the same.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:21 pm to MetryMauler
If their teammates agree then they should skip the bowl. Absolutely not worth the risk, financially.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:21 pm to MetryMauler
They risk big money every play of every game.
If you commit to coming back for a season, you need to be there for the whole season.
This "skip the bowl game" cancer is going to spread. You're going to have guys play 3-4 games of the regular season and if the team loses a game or two decide to just peace out and sit the rest of the year.
Such a thing was unthinkable a generation ago.
They have every right to not play if that's what they choose, but I have every right to call them a selfish baby and a bad teammate.
If you commit to coming back for a season, you need to be there for the whole season.
This "skip the bowl game" cancer is going to spread. You're going to have guys play 3-4 games of the regular season and if the team loses a game or two decide to just peace out and sit the rest of the year.
Such a thing was unthinkable a generation ago.
They have every right to not play if that's what they choose, but I have every right to call them a selfish baby and a bad teammate.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 4:28 pm to MetryMauler
quote:Give me a fricking break!
I get the whole team thing and agree somewhat, but this provides a different perspective. Hard to argue with this. Sure some of the others are in a similar spot. Risking generational money for a bowl game is a tough decision to make.
It's one more game, not a full season. Do you think he's the only guy on that LSU team that's had it tough growing up, so he couldn't play for his TEAM MATES...the guys in the foxhole with him who worked their asses off to have a successful season? Aside from injury, there's NO excuse for bailing on your team, your coaches, your fans and your school. It's bullshite, and you can bet your arse that the NFL scouts will look hard at a guy who shows NO loyalty to his team, and will cut and run at the first chance.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 5:05 pm to MetryMauler
I don't blame a kid for sitting out if he will likely be taken at the top of the first round if he is in a regular bowl game and not in the playoff. Why would you subject yourself to a potential career ending or major injury right before the draft? Tear an ACL you are falling out of the first round losing alot of money. This is avoiding unnecessary risk and those who say it is selfish would probably do the same if they were in that position. When that much money is up for grabs I don't blame them.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 5:20 pm to MetryMauler
I know they say all this stuff but as a percentage how many get injured in a bowl game and lose the dollars? Hard numbers, not just some heartstring story?
While you can say I am out of date, view it another way...
18 year old kid signs a contract to play for a team for 4 years. They still make the commitment even tho they may be injured and they do it for a lot less than a multi million dollar contract. they play for a team who values the company more than the man and it has been this way for a period of time long before the Millennials made it all about the "ME" and less about the "WE"
Wait for it
Wait for it
Wait for it
Wait for it
There was a time when folks honored their commitments before going pro
While you can say I am out of date, view it another way...
18 year old kid signs a contract to play for a team for 4 years. They still make the commitment even tho they may be injured and they do it for a lot less than a multi million dollar contract. they play for a team who values the company more than the man and it has been this way for a period of time long before the Millennials made it all about the "ME" and less about the "WE"
Wait for it
Wait for it
Wait for it
Wait for it
There was a time when folks honored their commitments before going pro
Posted on 12/5/18 at 5:50 pm to MetryMauler
They act as if the likelihood of injuries in bowl games vs the regular season is uniquely higher. If they are truly so concerned with protecting their guaranteed money, they should hang it up as soon as they have cemented themselves as probable high draftees -- if they have a monster week 5 or 6 which puts them on everyone's mock radar, then they should bow out immediately thereafter.
Let's be real . . . sitting the bowl game out (or leaving earlier) is nothing more than them saying "I'm tired of this bullshite, I'm beyond this amateur scene, I'm moving on."
Let's be real . . . sitting the bowl game out (or leaving earlier) is nothing more than them saying "I'm tired of this bullshite, I'm beyond this amateur scene, I'm moving on."
Posted on 12/5/18 at 6:09 pm to Moonwinx31
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They act as if the likelihood of injuries in bowl games vs the regular season is uniquely higher.
The problem with this is is that the regular season is that, the regular season. The bowl game is nothing more than an exhibition game; further, more and more of them have been added over the years because the main purpose of these games (why we have so many of them) is for people to make money off of them.
If you make the playoffs and the games actually fricking matter, then I would be right with the "you need to play" crowd. With that said, why the frick am I going to fault a kid for protecting his greatest asset (his body/athletic ability) over playing in a meaningless exhibition game that is nothing but a money maker.
For all those that don't agree, would you put your greatest financial asset at risk, whatever that may be, with the possibility of no return on that risk? I hope the answer is no.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 6:12 pm to MetryMauler
I don't knock those guys. It's a business decision involving millions of dollars.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 6:20 pm to PEPE
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Such a thing was unthinkable a generation ago.
Such a thing was unthinkable until the talking heads kept pushing the “Clowney should sit out the entire season” narrative a few years ago. And it still should be unthinkable. If you commit to play for your team, that should mean something. It shouldn’t require you play until you’re not in the playoffs or to the point where you decide the games are “meaningless.” They’re not meaningless for the people who helped these players become high draft picks. It’s whatever, that’s Greedy’s cross to bear.
This post was edited on 12/5/18 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 12/5/18 at 6:24 pm to stelly1025
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I don't blame a kid for sitting out if he will likely be taken at the top of the first round if he is in a regular bowl game and not in the playoff. Why would you subject yourself to a potential career ending or major injury right before the draft? Tear an ACL you are falling out of the first round losing alot of money. This is avoiding unnecessary risk and those who say it is selfish would probably do the same if they were in that position. When that much money is up for grabs I don't blame them.
Notre Dame kid who tore his ACL and dropped from a top 5 pick to a second round pick said he’d make the same decision again. That’s what you call a leader and a good team mate
Posted on 12/5/18 at 6:26 pm to Moonwinx31
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Let's be real . . . sitting the bowl game out (or leaving earlier) is nothing more than them saying "I'm tired of this bullshite, I'm beyond this amateur scene, I'm moving on."
Yep, it’s saying I don’t want to study and pass my finals and am too selfish to wait 5 weeks before I can get a loan from my agent to buy a new car and watch I don’t need.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 6:28 pm to MetryMauler
It only bothers me because of my own issues. My parents abandoned me as a child and left me in a dumpster. That's right, I was a dumpster baby.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 6:30 pm to TigernMS12
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The bowl game is nothing more than an exhibition game
Bowl games count in the win/loss column just like a regular season game
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because the main purpose of these games (why we have so many of them) is for people to make money off of them.
What do you think the purpose of any sport is? You think college football is what it is for any other reason except that it makes money?
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For all those that don't agree, would you put your greatest financial asset at risk, whatever that may be, with the possibility of no return on that risk
This isn’t all or nothing. Even if injured, greedy still walks away with life changing money.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 6:56 pm to lsufball19
Sure he’ll get some money but it will be at a loss if he gets hurt. What exactly at this point does he have to gain? All he can do is hurt his stock by getting hurt. That’s called all risk with no reward. So tell me, is that how you make your financial decisions? Would you do that with your business? Especially if you’re the breadwinner?
And sure all sports are there to make money, but at the pro level, the players get their share, thus they play every game. He’s not making any money by playing this game, in fact he’s just risking losing money.
And sure all sports are there to make money, but at the pro level, the players get their share, thus they play every game. He’s not making any money by playing this game, in fact he’s just risking losing money.
This post was edited on 12/5/18 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 12/5/18 at 6:56 pm to MetryMauler
Agree with taking advantage of a once in a lifetime opportunity. A bowl game is meaningless for them in the overall scheme of things. As fans we want to see the best on the field so we have a different perspective.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 6:59 pm to Cheese Grits
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I said to Coach Dietzel one time, "Coach, you did okay at Army ... I mean, except for the Navy games."
He said "yeah, not much I could do about that. They had this guy there that was a pretty good QB. Guy by the name of Staubach. Ever heard of him? "
So he came to South Carolina the next year.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 7:09 pm to TigernMS12
And here it is folks...this is the brand new talking point from the cess pool, Tr. Here are the Clift notes:
“(1) you can’t blame the “kid” who just wants money; (i think it is odd to refer to a 21 year old as a “kid”..)
(2) the bowl games are “meaningless;” (even though they are widely watched nation wide and set the impression of your team in fans from everywhere)
(3) the bowl games are just an exhibition; (see above)
(4) the “kid” owes his team, mates, coaches, fans and school nothing.” (never mind all that crap about duty, honor, commitment, all that stupid meaningless shite)
If course the inevitible thing this attitude spawns is happening at LSU...if the bowl games are “meaningless,” so are the last few games of the season. For that matter, so is the whole third year of eligibility. For that matter, what is do sacred about the CFp?
LSU has had more “sit-outs” than any SEC school the last 3-4 years. They also lead the league yearly in marginal third year players declaring for the draft. It seems LSU players have demonstrated repeatedly they don’t give a shite about the school, team or fans...only their personal prospects. It has gone on so long it is now part of the expected LSU culture.
What is different now is that the L8U fans on Tr are adopting this position as an acceptable behavior and justifying it. Some are actually making fun of players who have a sense of duty. And other LSUers seem to be trying to spread the behavior to other teams an fan bases to hide their own dishonor.
The concept of “duty” is apparently so alien to LSU life that on this board certain LSU fans have made fun of military Vietnam service as being foolish and stupid ....so much for “duty, honor, country” among that sordid LSU mob.
I suggest L8U just drop their football program if the players, team and fans think it is all just an unimportant “exhibition.” No wonder LSU is referred to as “LUSer.”
“(1) you can’t blame the “kid” who just wants money; (i think it is odd to refer to a 21 year old as a “kid”..)
(2) the bowl games are “meaningless;” (even though they are widely watched nation wide and set the impression of your team in fans from everywhere)
(3) the bowl games are just an exhibition; (see above)
(4) the “kid” owes his team, mates, coaches, fans and school nothing.” (never mind all that crap about duty, honor, commitment, all that stupid meaningless shite)
If course the inevitible thing this attitude spawns is happening at LSU...if the bowl games are “meaningless,” so are the last few games of the season. For that matter, so is the whole third year of eligibility. For that matter, what is do sacred about the CFp?
LSU has had more “sit-outs” than any SEC school the last 3-4 years. They also lead the league yearly in marginal third year players declaring for the draft. It seems LSU players have demonstrated repeatedly they don’t give a shite about the school, team or fans...only their personal prospects. It has gone on so long it is now part of the expected LSU culture.
What is different now is that the L8U fans on Tr are adopting this position as an acceptable behavior and justifying it. Some are actually making fun of players who have a sense of duty. And other LSUers seem to be trying to spread the behavior to other teams an fan bases to hide their own dishonor.
The concept of “duty” is apparently so alien to LSU life that on this board certain LSU fans have made fun of military Vietnam service as being foolish and stupid ....so much for “duty, honor, country” among that sordid LSU mob.
I suggest L8U just drop their football program if the players, team and fans think it is all just an unimportant “exhibition.” No wonder LSU is referred to as “LUSer.”
This post was edited on 12/5/18 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 12/5/18 at 7:21 pm to MetryMauler
Always, always take the money.
IF you are a sure high pick with guaranteed money.
IF you are a sure high pick with guaranteed money.
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