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Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:52 am to CleverUserName
Simplest, best response…for all. If a timeout is called for an injury the player sits out the rest of the possession. It stops the flops, and it’s in the best interest of the player to be fully evaluated before returning to the game and possibly aggravating an injury.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:53 am to UltimaParadox
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Everyone saw that pathetic display by ole Miss in the early game. Not only is it chicken shite, but truly disrupts the flow of the game. Hell forces us to watch more commercials.
Did any reporter even ask chickenshit Kiffin about it?
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:57 am to UltimaParadox
It's impossible to police. If they start to penalize people beyond the single play they are taking out, it will make them liable for any players who are injured but stay in the game after that.
AND you would at the same time be asking refs to make medical decisions of which they aren't even remotely qualified to make.
If you do it in hindsight, then teams will just pay the fines for a win. What's a 10k fine when a championship is on the line?
Maybe if they forfeited the game it would make a difference, but can you imagine the backlash if that happened on what could be nothing more than a judgement call?
They should revisit the rules that cause teams to do this. Allow the defense to substitute when they want, without affecting the play clock or the game clock. So if the offense gets to the line, the clock will stop until the defense has substituted.
Alternatively, you can shorten the play clock to 10 or 15 seconds once the offense is on the line. Normal play clock otherwise, but when the team goes to the line, it will drop down to 15 seconds, unless of course the clock is already lower. This will help prevent teams that go straight to the line after a play is over to prevent the defense from substituting, while at the same time not slowing down the pace of the offense. But when a team is going legit fast, you'll probably still see some.
Fake injures are a product of existing rules that have put too much power in the offense to dictate personnel of the defense, adjust them. Bring back more strategy as well.
AND you would at the same time be asking refs to make medical decisions of which they aren't even remotely qualified to make.
If you do it in hindsight, then teams will just pay the fines for a win. What's a 10k fine when a championship is on the line?
Maybe if they forfeited the game it would make a difference, but can you imagine the backlash if that happened on what could be nothing more than a judgement call?
They should revisit the rules that cause teams to do this. Allow the defense to substitute when they want, without affecting the play clock or the game clock. So if the offense gets to the line, the clock will stop until the defense has substituted.
Alternatively, you can shorten the play clock to 10 or 15 seconds once the offense is on the line. Normal play clock otherwise, but when the team goes to the line, it will drop down to 15 seconds, unless of course the clock is already lower. This will help prevent teams that go straight to the line after a play is over to prevent the defense from substituting, while at the same time not slowing down the pace of the offense. But when a team is going legit fast, you'll probably still see some.
Fake injures are a product of existing rules that have put too much power in the offense to dictate personnel of the defense, adjust them. Bring back more strategy as well.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:00 am to Finkle is Einhorn
Defense has just as much time to line up as the offense does
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:08 am to UltimaParadox
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I am hesitant to say an injured player must sit out an entire possession, but something needs to be done to put a stop to this
I am not. It would put an end to this bullshite.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:10 am to CleverUserName
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that player is ineligible for the rest of the possession.
This has been offered in the past and seems to be the best solution.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:25 am to Finkle is Einhorn
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Quit allowing teams to hurry up and snap the ball before the defense can even get back to their positions. There’s a reason the NFL doesn’t have this problem
This is the real issue. You should be able to go fast, of course, but the refs shouldn’t be sprinting to spot the ball for you. They should operate in the parameters they’re accustomed to. There was a play yesterday where ole Miss was an entire yard short and the ref spotted the ball for a first down cause he was tripping over himself to spot it for Ole Miss. Who snapped it so fast no one had time to ever question any of it.
Faking injuries is bad but people aren’t willing to accept as many “fake” injuries happen as real ones do in these situations. The hurry up thrives on causing defensive fatigue, and fatigue causes injuries. It causes players to lose their fundamentals and technique and they get hurt as a result. But we have to hear fans jump to conclusions and boo like animals every time. It’s tarnished games.
Meanwhile you have Bama/UGA last night which was just fantastic, real football.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:33 am to UltimaParadox
Don't have a problem with it. All the rule changes have been so in the offenses advantage. At this point the defenses need every tactic they can use.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:34 am to mtb010
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Make it reviewable upon the opposite team’s coach’s challenge and if it’s deemed to be a flop then flag them for a delay of game penalty
This is a non-starter. The officials are never going to go into the business of trying to determine if a player is truly injured or not.
I think the sitting out a possession is a reasonable approach. Any timeout would allow the player to reenter. The rule does not apply to a situation where are player is injured due to a penalty against him.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:36 am to Number1Gump
Sit for the remainder of the quarter.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:44 am to 3down10
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It's impossible to police. If they start to penalize people beyond the single play they are taking out, it will make them liable for any players who are injured but stay in the game after that.
I understand that that might be a concern with some but nobody is to blame for an injured player playing through his injury other than the player himself and/or his coaches.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:46 am to ChapelHillSooner
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I understand that that might be a concern with some but nobody is to blame for an injured player playing through his injury other than the player himself and/or his coaches.
Ok, but the bottom line is you are literally punishing players and teams for reporting an injury.
It's not going to end well.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:48 am to UltimaParadox
Nothing. The first time someone is actually injured and accused of faking it there will be serious consequences.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:50 am to UltimaParadox
People who bash international football on these boards should be ashamed of themselves. Soccer players must have taught these college athletes well.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:56 am to New Money
What I'd suggest is this:
If a player goes down and is unable to walk off the field on his own, he has to sit a series or so.
Furthermore, he needs to be medically evaluated, and cleared before he can return to the field. This protects an injured kid from being pushed back onto the field in a big game, where he might worsen his injury.
Ideally (but probably too expensive), you would have an independent medical staff on site for this purpose, so that Kirby or Kelly (for example) doesn't have guys that just rubberstamp that decision- hey, the running back currently thinks he is 14 and on vacation in the Bahamas, but it's 3rd and 1 late in the game, with a small lead.
Do this a year or two, with the word quietly being stated that they're going to track actual injuries vs fakes, and an unsportsmanlike conduct/timeout waiver rule is being considered if the numbers don't fit.
If a player goes down and is unable to walk off the field on his own, he has to sit a series or so.
Furthermore, he needs to be medically evaluated, and cleared before he can return to the field. This protects an injured kid from being pushed back onto the field in a big game, where he might worsen his injury.
Ideally (but probably too expensive), you would have an independent medical staff on site for this purpose, so that Kirby or Kelly (for example) doesn't have guys that just rubberstamp that decision- hey, the running back currently thinks he is 14 and on vacation in the Bahamas, but it's 3rd and 1 late in the game, with a small lead.
Do this a year or two, with the word quietly being stated that they're going to track actual injuries vs fakes, and an unsportsmanlike conduct/timeout waiver rule is being considered if the numbers don't fit.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:57 am to UltimaParadox
Delay of game penalty and "injured" player sits out the remainder of the drive and the next.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 12:01 pm to UltimaParadox
The fake injuries are bush league and needs to stop. It's embarrassing.
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