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Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:22 am to meansonny
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:22 am to meansonny
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After year 1, how many more seasons does Kelly get before the fanbase says that he isn't a national championship caliber coach?
I'll answer that for you. One.
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:22 am to meansonny
You realize depth is a factor over the course of a season as well as over the course of a game, right? Depth has absolutely been an issue the last 3-4 weeks.
I would agree it’s not the only issue, teams have been more effective designing and executing pulls and traps against our defensive front and we haven’t been able to readjust.
On the whole the defense gets a B/B+ for the season considering what they took over. I know you want to ignore context though.
I would agree it’s not the only issue, teams have been more effective designing and executing pulls and traps against our defensive front and we haven’t been able to readjust.
On the whole the defense gets a B/B+ for the season considering what they took over. I know you want to ignore context though.
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 10:23 am
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:23 am to meansonny
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"Depth" implies these are 4th quarter issues. Depth implies these are injury issues.
If you want to argue that depth is your issue and it is bad coaching in the first half of A&M and UGA, then go for it.
Perhaps you're being intentionally obtuse but having no depth doesn't just pop up in the 4th quarter.
It also pops up late in a season when guys have played a ton of snaps and are banged up and tired physically.
If you noticed Saturday, there were a lot of times when Georgia was substituting offensive personnel and LSU didn't substitute at all.
Because they couldn't.
That's been the story all year and it's worn down the team, they looked completely gassed vs both A&M and Georgia. Even UAB moved the ball on them fairly well.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:23 am to SidewalkTiger
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They also have a major depth issue, their starting corners were at ULL and Oklahoma State last year.
If your starters suck, that isn't a depth issue.
Maybe we are having an issue with semantics.
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A safety was playing corner at A&M.
As I said, I don't pretend to know LSU like LSU fans. This was my hunch.
And as for the DL, many teams can switch their fronts from odd to even depending upon the style of opponent. For some reason, Bama can't do so effectively without sucking Anderson into the 4i.
My guess is that an offense can dictate your defensive front with personnel and get your guys in losing positions (or non-ideal as is the case with will anderson this season).
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:26 am to ibldprplgld
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He's not a great coach. Not at all.
It's the truth though. He's good. Good enough for a typical 9 and 3 LSU season. Good enough to maintain a spoiler team but not good enough to seal the deal.
Alabama gifts him a win and like most unclutch guys who rise up and beat Nick Saban from time to time, he doesn't have the stones to cash it in.
Championships are for closers.
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 10:27 am
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:26 am to Pandy Fackler
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Pandy Fackler
Go frick yourself you dumb cocksucker.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:26 am to TexasTiger_08
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Well you don’t have to be an elite coach to win at LSU. Les and O were not even “good coaches”. Les was average at best who wasn’t afraid to take risks.
Les gets a lot of flak, but he was a very good coach.
Orgeron was nothing more than a motivator (he was quite good at it though)... but he hit homeruns with his assistant hires of Brady and Arranda, and failed when hiring their replacements. He delegated all coaching of both sides of the ball to them because he knew he was only there for recruiting and motivation. Dabo Swinney is largely the same way, but hasn't made the same hiring errors that Orgeron did after Brady/Arranda.
Kelly isn't that kind of coach. He's involved in strategic and tactical coaching decisions on both sides of the ball. He keeps his teams from having dips by being a bit of a control freak... but it also (so far) has kept them from peaks.
I'm more than open to be proven wrong. But so far Kelly has not win the big game... anywhere. Even back at Grand Valley state they didn't make it past the first round of the playoff their first 4 tries (though they did finally break through and win the division 2 playoff his last 2 seasons there)... just like Cincy and ND never won a BCS game or a first round playoff game or even a New Years 6 game under his tenure.
He's a very good coach. So was Mark Richt. THat's where I see Kelly's ceiling until he shows me otherwise.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:27 am to SidewalkTiger
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If you noticed Saturday, there were a lot of times when Georgia was substituting offensive personnel and LSU didn't substitute at all.
When we switch personnel, we are switching our tight end looks.
We actually ran more 11 personnel than I ever recall in a game.
Most likely, it is to get your down linemen into gaps that they aren't as good.
It is less about depth and more about not having the proper personnel to move around on the interior based on the offense.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:29 am to DawginSC
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He's lost in the biggest games at all his other stops. All of his "big win" seasons have ended with a loss.
12-1 in 2012. Lost in championship game.
10-3 in 2015. Lost in Fiesta bowl.
12-1 in 2018. Lost in Cotton Bowl.
10-2 in 2020. Lost in Rose bowl.
In Kirby Smart's first 3 seasons, he:
- Won the Liberty Bowl against TCU
- Lost the NC against Bama
- Lost the Sugar Bowl against Texas
What made you think Kirby was capable of winning one after his first three seasons?
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:30 am to meansonny
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It is less about depth and more about not having the proper personnel to move around on the interior based on the offense
As I said, both of these can be true at once.
And are.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:33 am to DawginSC
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But so far Kelly has not win the big game... anywhere
Ignoring that he won 2 titles at Grand Valley State, are we saying winning a conference title does not qualify as winning a “big” game?
And given that Notre Dame doesn’t play in a conference, are we saying that there was not a single big game won in either of the undefeated regular seasons he had there?
Do you think it’s fair to hold what one does at Cincinnati and Notre Dame to the same standard as if someone was at say (for example) Ohio State or Oklahoma?
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:34 am to UpToPar
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What made you think Kirby was capable of winning one after his first three seasons?
Recruiting.
It wasn't the 2016 or 2017 classed, either.
It was 2018, 2019, and 2020.
So far, things look great for 2021 and 2022.
Top 3 every year in the rankings (and it can be argued that we also have the best 3 and low 4 stars in college football from those classes).
2018 put us in position to win it all in 2021 (their senior year. Just like LSUs last national championship being the senior culmination of their best recruiting class)
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 10:36 am
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:35 am to DawginSC
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just like Cincy and ND never won a BCS game or a first round playoff game or even a New Years 6 game under his tenure.
To be fair Cincinatti never had outside of his tenure either.
Notre Dame hasn't won a "major bowl game" since like 1993.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:36 am to DawginSC
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DawginSC
I agree with most of your analysis. Honestly, there wasn’t a great coach available last year.
Riley was going to get exposed in the SEC and it’s alarming Woodward wanted him.
I still would have gone with Aranda, but even he’s had some head scratchers this year. Honestly I hated firing O midseason without a replacement lined up. Would have given him one more year with the lack of options.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:38 am to meansonny
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Maybe we are having an issue with semantics.
You definitely have a different concept of team depth.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:39 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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Would have given him one more year with the lack of options.
Stop
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:40 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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Honestly I hated firing O midseason without a replacement lined up. Would have given him one more year with the lack of options.
Meh, there is no perfect candidate out there.
Kelly was the best hire for a rebuilding job available.
Aranda was viewed as the "next hot young coach" but he's 20-15 at this point and just went 6-6.
Napier just went 6-6.
It's basically Saban, Kirby, and everyone else.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:44 am to SidewalkTiger
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there is no perfect candidate out there.
Then you don’t fire the guy that just went 15-0
Throw 2020 out because those circumstances aren’t likely to repeat, O had one bad year following the GOAT.
I don’t think you fire a guy for a 6-6 season following an undefeated one without a clear upgrade already lined up
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:46 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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without a clear upgrade already lined up
Kelly is a clear upgrade. Orgeron is a baffoon.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:47 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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Then you don’t fire the guy that just went 15-0
Throw 2020 out because those circumstances aren’t likely to repeat, O had one bad year following the GOAT.
You obviously don't realize what a shitshow the program was.
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I don’t think you fire a guy for a 6-6 season following an undefeated one without a clear upgrade already lined up
Brian Kelly is a clear upgrade from Ed Orgeron.
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