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Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:01 am to Pandy Fackler
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:01 am to Pandy Fackler
People are sure grinding over Kelley.
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:04 am to DawginSC
Before Brian Kelly was hired Notre Dame hadn’t beaten a power 5 team in a bowl game since 1993. He did it his very first season there and had them in the playoff by year 3. This is 21st century Notre Dame not 1973 Notre Dame.
He went undefeated at Cincinnati, took Central Michigan from 3-9 to MAC Champions in 3 years, and won multiple titles at Grand Valley State.
If you’re suggesting he underperformed at any of his previous stops then I seriously question your understanding of college football.
He went undefeated at Cincinnati, took Central Michigan from 3-9 to MAC Champions in 3 years, and won multiple titles at Grand Valley State.
If you’re suggesting he underperformed at any of his previous stops then I seriously question your understanding of college football.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:05 am to DawginSC
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He also lost the Orange bowl at Cincy in 2008.
Seeing as how I know this is wrong right off the top of my head, I'm not sure if I can trust the rest of your information or not.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:05 am to Pandy Fackler
Why are all of y’all so obsessed with Kelly if you think he will bomb?
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:05 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Who are you trying to convince, us or yourself?
Well you and I don't need convincing. We already know all this.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:06 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Do you remember the state Notre Dame was in when he got there, and the long history of postseason issues they had before BK showed up?
Either you’re very young or you just don’t want to be fair because you don’t want him to be successful at LSU.
There's a difference between building a program up and winning titles.
Both Donnan and Richt at UGA were able to improve UGA from when they came in. But Donnan didn't have what it took to win SEC titles or even SEC East titles. Richt didn't have what it took to win NC's.
Kelly will improve LSU. They'll like make the 12 team playoff with some frequency. But he hasn't shown he has what it takes to win big games (particularly big post season games) yet and he's been coaching a while. WHo knows... maybe he'll be able to do it at LSU. But so far at LSU he's had one big "end of season" game and he lost by 20 after never winning BCS/New Years 6 level games at Cincy or NOtre Dame.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:06 am to TexasTiger89
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But many times, that is due to personnel constraints. I don't know the LSU program enough to pinpoint what is coaching and what is personnel.
Definitely some depth issues.
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Every one of LSU’s four starting defensive linemen played at least 53 of 76 snaps. Mekhi Wingo played 74 of 76 and BJ Ojulari played on every single down. On average, LSU’s starting D-linemen played 66 of 77 snaps (87%). By comparison, none of Georgia’s starting defensive linemen played more than 45 of 75 snaps and they averaged just 32 snaps (43%). Those numbers point to a massive disparity in depth.
The issues with LSU aren't a depth issue.
LSUs defense is predictable and easy to playcall against on the first snap.
That isn't a depth issue.
What it probably is relates to personnel.
UGA and Bama are so good because we have personnel that can adjust to different schemes.
LSU plays Perkins like a Swiss army knife. He isn't that guy. He is an amazing athlete. He has a motor that doesn't quit. But he isnt that guy.
It isn't much different than Bama playing Will Anderson in the 4i. If they had better personnel, they wouldn't be shoving their best edge defender inside the tackle where a guard can shove 330 pounds up his front side.
Give Kelly 1 more offseason, and he should hopefully be able to at least field a defense that doesn't telegraph the backend defense every snap.
It isn't depth. The dudes probably don't even exist for the first team right now. That is how bad the defense looked against A&M and UGA.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:08 am to terriblegreen
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Pretty much everything OP said is a lie. Which makes him a lying cocksucker.
We’re pretty happy with Kelly.
I live in Louisiana, I know better and anyone who reads the Tiger Rant knows better as well.
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 10:08 am
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:08 am to Pandy Fackler
You Gumps are still melting over 32-31.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:08 am to DawginSC
Well you don’t have to be an elite coach to win at LSU. Les and O were not even “good coaches”. Les was average at best who wasn’t afraid to take risks.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:08 am to texag7
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A&M went real deep
but not into the season. what bowl game is aggie playing in?
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:09 am to meansonny
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The issues with LSU aren't a depth issue.
It’s maybe not the only issue, but this is just false. Makes it hard to keep reading and give you any credence when you make such an ignorant statement right off the bat.
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 10:10 am
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:10 am to SidewalkTiger
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Seeing as how I know this is wrong right off the top of my head, I'm not sure if I can trust the rest of your information or not.
Not sure why you think this is wrong. In the 2008 season Cincy went 11-3, losing to VT in the Orange Bowl by a score of 20-7. Yeah, technically that game was on January 1st of 2009... but if that's what you're arguing you're being needlessly argumentative.
THe next year (his last at Cincy) he left before the bowl game. But his team lost that too. 54-21 to FLorida in the Sugar bowl.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:11 am to SidewalkTiger
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It's hilarious how after all of the talk that Kelly would be lucky to win 6 games this year, they're now desperately trying to paint going 9-3 in year 1 as "something bad."
They want to say BK is a bad coach but they can't actually come up with anyone who would've been a better hire.
The melts are glorious!
Well to start with, the guy Woodward originally wanted to hire, Lincoln Riley.
Everyone in BR knows Kelly was last on Woodward's list and now we all know why.
It's the worst kept secret in town.
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 10:12 am
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:12 am to DawginSC
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But so far at LSU he's had one big "end of season" game and he lost by 20 after never winning BCS/New Years 6 level games at Cincy or NOtre Dame.
So telling and convenient that you have to restrict the criteria to this degree, disregarding all context in the
process, to get to a point where you have a knock on him.
Pretty impressive mental gymnastics to be honest.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:14 am to DawginSC
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Not sure why you think this is wrong. In the 2008 season Cincy went 11-3, losing to VT in the Orange Bowl by a score of 20-7.
Yeah, technically that game was on January 1st of 2009... but if that's what you're arguing you're being needlessly argumentative. THe next year (his last at Cincy) he left before the bowl game. But his team lost that too. 54-21 to FLorida in the Sugar bowl.
That you’re somehow turning taking a g5 team to back to back BCS bowls as some kind of negative is hilarious
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:14 am to meansonny
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The issues with LSU aren't a depth issue.
LSUs defense is predictable and easy to playcall against on the first snap.
That isn't a depth issue.
What it probably is relates to personnel.
UGA and Bama are so good because we have personnel that can adjust to different schemes.
It's both.
LSU has a hodge podge of player types because of all the different systems that have been ran.
They also have a major depth issue, their starting corners were at ULL and Oklahoma State last year. The secondary is very thin overall.
Then to make matters worse, they lost the best defensive linemen vs Florida State. Pretty much the same defensive line is on the field at all times.
A safety was playing corner at A&M.
People like OP don't understand how much of a mess the roster was (despite being talented on paper) when Kelly took over and it'll take another year or two to get that corrected.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:15 am to SidewalkTiger
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People like OP don't understand how much of a mess the roster was
They know, but acknowledging it goes against the narrative so.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:16 am to Pandy Fackler
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Well to start with, the guy Woodward originally wanted to hire, Lincoln Riley.
He didn't make the playoff either, lost to less talented Utah twice and he has a far better quarterback and far weaker competition week to week.
He has also never won a "big game."
Now what?
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:19 am to Draconian Sanctions
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It’s maybe not the only issue, but this is just false. Makes it hard to keep reading and give you any credence when you make such an ignorant statement right off the bat.
Your defense gave up 4 passing TDs to Stetson Bennett in the first half.
We had 67 rushing yards (5.15 per) and 214 passing yards ( and 4 passing TDs in the first half.
Stetson Bennett had never thrown 4 TDs in a game (because he doesn't throw much in the 2nd half).
Congrats on confusing depth with whatever the problem is at LSU.
It is either awful coaching (which I'm trying to defend you guys) or you flat out dont have the personnel on the roster to be competent.
"Depth" implies these are 4th quarter issues. Depth implies these are injury issues.
If you want to argue that depth is your issue and it is bad coaching in the first half of A&M and UGA, then go for it.
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