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re: Elite vs. Elite All-Time Meetings
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:41 am to BHMKyle
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:41 am to BHMKyle
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I know if you include Texas A&M, Arkansas, and Ole Miss, then LSU's numbers would increase significantly.... but you have to think the others in the SEC would see an increase as well.
Adding in Ole Miss & Arky into the mix, LSU would gain I think 95 games on their 168 game gap with Auburn, so that definitely has some to do with it.
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:04 am to BHMKyle
Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:49 am to BHMKyle
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Well how much you care is still infinitely more than the number of trophies you have in your case from the AP/UPI
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:10 pm to BHMKyle
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Ole Miss, and Wisconsin have zero National Titles.
Not according to the NCAA
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:25 pm to BHMKyle
Auburn and UGA elite all time programs? 
Definitely both really good programs but elite? No sir
Definitely both really good programs but elite? No sir
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:30 pm to BHMKyle
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That's up to you. I can tell you what is unimpressive and that's A&M's abysmal resume.
This makes your list legit to me. This board needs more posters who make valid points that are backed up with the facts.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:37 pm to elposter
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Should be weighted (e.g., 25 for 1st place finish, 1 for 25th place finish). Not sure how much that would change the Top 17, maybe a couple teams at most, but the order within the Top 17 would probably shift around a bit.
This is irrelevant to consider by itself.
The whole point of the OP is that to get these rankings, and by extension, have the opportunity to be chosen/play for a national championship and/or finish high in the final poll, some schools have historically played much softer schedules than others.
If you want to come up with a better ranking that combines your weighted rankings with SOS, I think that would be interesting.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:54 pm to BHMKyle
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Well how much you care is still infinitely more than the number of trophies you have in your case from the AP/UPI... which is zero.
Not really. The AP changed their rules because they saw they got it wrong for the very next season. I think that is a pretty clear point in our favor. We know we have as good a claim on the 64 title as anyone and better then some. We whipped the team that whipped the team that won the AP title and we went undefeated.
For some weird, borderline autistic, reason it offends you horribly that we lay claim to that title when it doesn't impact you or your program at all. You can write all the zingers you want and ramble on in great detail about how we don't deserve it but its kind of odd and more then a bit creepy. Not even the really weird LSU fans bring the '64 title up as much as you do.
Hell. You bring the '64 title up more then we do. You have some issues son.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:01 pm to BHMKyle
Not surprising at all that LSU has the fewest meetings of top teams of SEC schools in your list. Only reason they have finished ranked in the final AP Poll as many times as they have. They should be moved way down your rankings because of this.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:02 pm to CrimsonDynasty
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Auburn and UGA elite all time programs?
Definitely both really good programs but elite? No sir
aside from the metric in the OP that was made up on the spot I don't think anybody woudl claim either program as elite. I think there are probably 6-8 "elite" all time programs. I do think it's fair to say UGA is a top ~12 program of all time.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:03 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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So you're saying there's a Big 6 for a reason...
The Big Six always rise to the top in these threads. It's who we are.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:04 pm to BHMKyle
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Why have Tennessee and LSU played so few games against the nation's better programs?
Skeert.
Soft scheduling is why they get including with the top 4 in the SEC.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:07 pm to Arksulli
quote:Doesn't matter what happened the next year. Bama won the NC by the rules at the time...
Not really. The AP changed their rules because they saw they got it wrong for the very next season. I think that is a pretty clear point in our favor. We know we have as good a claim on the 64 title as anyone and better then some. We whipped the team that whipped the team that won the AP title and we went undefeated.
1964, AP awarded the title before the bowl games. Bama was awarded the AP and the Coaches titles for that year.
1965, AP awarded the title after the bowl games. Bama won the AP that year because #1 Mich. St. lost in the Rose Bowl; #2 Arkansas lost to LSU in the Cotton Bowl; & #4 Bama beat #3 Neb. in the Orange Bowl.
If Arkansas & others hadn't raised a stink the year before. Bama would not have won the AP in 1965. Thanks Arkie.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:08 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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The issue is that some people think the FWAA should trump the AP and UPI/Coaches (Alabama had both in ‘64) for that season because Arkansas was undefeated.
And that Alabama lost to a team Arkansas beat on the road. You could argue that Texas had more of a claim than Alabama, because both finished with the same record and Texas won the head-to-head.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:11 pm to jatebe
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Doesn't matter what happened the next year. Bama won the NC by the rules at the time...
I get what you are saying, and if I was a fan of Alabama I'd grit my teeth and say the same thing. And we didn't raise a stink about it, all the sports writers raised a stink about it.
We took our version of the national title and went home secure in the knowledge that we beat the team that beat Alabama that year.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:19 pm to Arksulli
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we beat the team that beat Alabama that year.
& UCF claims 2017 because they beat the team that beat Alabama.... but
Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:26 pm to jatebe
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1964, AP awarded the title before the bowl games. Bama was awarded the AP and the Coaches titles for that year.
1965, AP awarded the title after the bowl games. Bama won the AP that year because #1 Mich. St. lost in the Rose Bowl; #2 Arkansas lost to LSU in the Cotton Bowl; & #4 Bama beat #3 Neb. in the Orange Bowl.
Yea, Alabama won national titles both years and Arkansas had the better record both years. It was typical poll bias, which caught up with Alabama in '66, when Notre Dame won it over an Alabama team that actually deserved the title.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:40 pm to redeye
quote:Correct, but Alabama/Bear Bryant came back in the 70's and won 2 more AP and 2 more UPI titles. I've yet to see Arkansas do this. So, it's all good.
Yea, Alabama won national titles both years and Arkansas had the better record both years. It was typical poll bias, which caught up with Alabama in '66, when Notre Dame won it over an Alabama team that actually deserved the title.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:48 pm to CrimsonDynasty
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Auburn and UGA elite all time programs?
Georgia is 12th all-time in AP Points.... Auburn is #13.
That's ahead of Florida State, Miami, and Florida FYI.
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Definitely both really good programs but elite? No sir
Depends on where you want to draw the line.
Georgia is 6th nationally in AP Points in the last 20 years.
Auburn is very up and down, but they won a National Title in 2010... played for it in 2013.... probably should have played for it in 2004... and were one win away from making the Playoff in 2017.... not to mention several other decent/good years all in between. It's hard to say they aren't also elite when they seem to be a rather common player in the National Title race deep into the season every few years.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:20 pm to BHMKyle
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500- Auburn
486- Florida
474- Alabama
471- Georgia
334- Tennessee
332- LSU
267- Notre Dame
262- Oklahoma
255- Miami
238- Florida St.
221- Michigan
227- Clemson
216- Ohio St.
203- Texas
200- Nebraska
182- USC
154- Penn State
Shows how weak the B1G is, considering that Ohio State and Michigan have played each other over 100 times (115). That alone leaves Ohio State with less than 100 meetings for all other teams combined. Notre Dame's history isn't looking all that great considering the easy schedule.
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