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re: Early 2012 SEC Power Rankings
Posted on 1/11/12 at 12:46 pm to 4nmylifetime
Posted on 1/11/12 at 12:46 pm to 4nmylifetime
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Did anyone else catch Gary Danielson on Finebaum yesterday on why he didnt think LSU would be his #1. He stated in his opinion that the new LSU QB would force the style of offensive play calling to change. LSU would not have the QB's feet to rely on as much and the offense would go to more TE and pro style play calling. He said this would be a big adjustment to make. Keep in mind he didnt say LSU would not be to top 5 he was just saying that to him it would be enough to keep them from being #1.
I love this. LSU is more than likely going to have a real QB for the first time since Flynn and that is going to hurt us.
More beautiful logic from Danielson.
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Posted on 1/11/12 at 12:47 pm to ocelot4ark
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I think the faith in Mettenrapist is a little overzealous so far. I can see why the LSU fans are optimistic, but the situation would be similar to Arkansas (hypothetically) getting a stud JUCO linebacker. Sure, we'd expect him to do great based on his pedigree. But we don't have a history of those types of players, so no one should believe it until he shows it. Same with LSU and QBs. Until Miles' staff shows me that it can put a QB in a position to succeed, I'll be on the fence. The good thing for LSU is they don't even NEED a great QB to win most games since their defense and running game is so good.
The stud JUCO QB Cam Newton turned out well, wouldn't you say?
Posted on 1/11/12 at 12:51 pm to ocelot4ark
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Cortney Gardner being an instant impact JUCO WR.
Wait, didn't you discredit JUCOs earlier in this thread? Like, just on the previous page?!
Edit: And yes. I'm going through this thread and picking it apart. So what.
This post was edited on 1/11/12 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 1/11/12 at 12:54 pm to gallagherkck
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The stud JUCO QB Cam Newton turned out well, wouldn't you say?
You missed the point entirely. JUCO QB's can absolutely be good. My point was it doesn't mean anything until he proves it on the field and, at LSU under Miles, QB play has yet to be good.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 12:54 pm to gallagherkck
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Wait, didn't you discredit JUCOs earlier in this thread? Like, just on the previous page?!
Edit: And yes. I'm going through this thread and picking it apart. So what.
See above.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:15 pm to ocelot4ark
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You missed the point entirely. JUCO QB's can absolutely be good. My point was it doesn't mean anything until he proves it on the field and, at LSU under Miles, QB play has yet to be good.
Of course someone has to prove it on the field. That doesn't mean people have to be overly cautious. Arkansas fans are pumping up how good DGB will be and he hasn't even committed to them. Even you stated how losing three senior WRs won't be too harmful for Arkansas because DGB is coming in and he hasn't even played one down in the SEC or even had an SEC practice. So that's a little bit of pot calling the kettle black.
Also, Jamarcus Russell and Matt Flynn could sling the pigskin pretty damn well under Miles and Co. LSU has been sans quality QB play for nearly four years and still has been a consistent Top 10 team.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:18 pm to RollTide1987
Top 10!!! We stacked! 
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:20 pm to gallagherkck
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Even you stated how losing three senior WRs won't be too harmful for Arkansas because DGB is coming in and he hasn't even played one down in the SEC or even had an SEC practice. So that's a little bit of pot calling the kettle black.
Wow. You're still missing the point.
Arkansas, under Petrino, has consistently had good WRs and QBs. Therefore, I feel confident saying a backup/underclassman WR will be successful. On the contrary, I DON'T think we have a good track record with MLB's, so I'm not predicting an unproven player will be a top 5 MLB in the SEC.
LSU, under Miles, hasn't had great QB play in years. Therefore, it's a bit of a stretch for LSU fans to assume Mett will be a top 5 SEC QB. If you were talking about a safety, DLM, CB, etc? Well yeah, I would probably buy it. QB? No way.
Do I need to go slower than that? Or do you get it now?
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:24 pm to ocelot4ark
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Wow. You're still missing the point.
Arkansas, under Petrino, has consistently had good WRs and QBs. Therefore, I feel confident saying a backup/underclassman WR will be successful. On the contrary, I DON'T think we have a good track record with MLB's, so I'm not predicting an unproven player will be a top 5 MLB in the SEC.
LSU, under Miles, hasn't had great QB play in years. Therefore, it's a bit of a stretch for LSU fans to assume Mett will be a top 5 SEC QB. If you were talking about a safety, DLM, CB, etc? Well yeah, I would probably buy it. QB? No way.
Do I need to go slower than that? Or do you get it now?
So if LSU was bringing in some JUCO stud DB you would trust them to play well correct?
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:24 pm to spacewrangler
I haven't kept up with them, but I refuse to give Mizzou SEC respect until they beat an SEC West team not from Mississippi.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:28 pm to WDE24
So has anyone figured out why we are going to experience a huge drop off from this year? I keep seeing it predicted but I look at our team and see the only losses come at WR Bequette Franklin and Thomas.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:29 pm to oklahogjr
You'll finish third in the West as usual unless Bama vacates their wins.
That's not a huge drop off at all.
That's not a huge drop off at all.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:36 pm to ocelot4ark
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Arkansas, under Petrino, has consistently had good WRs and QBs. Therefore, I feel confident saying a backup/underclassman WR will be successful. On the contrary, I DON'T think we have a good track record with MLB's, so I'm not predicting an unproven player will be a top 5 MLB in the SEC.
LSU, under Miles, hasn't had great QB play in years. Therefore, it's a bit of a stretch for LSU fans to assume Mett will be a top 5 SEC QB. If you were talking about a safety, DLM, CB, etc? Well yeah, I would probably buy it. QB? No way.
I understand your point but I would point out that the SEC is loaded with talented LB's and other defensive players, whereas there aren't a great many quality QB's. Also, Russell and Flynn were both great QB's for Miles. Mett was said to be competing with Murray for the UGA starting job, and Murray is one of the best QB's in the SEC. So it isn't terribly unreasonable to think he will come in and preform well.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:37 pm to roadGator
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You'll finish third in the West as usual unless Bama vacates their wins.
That's not a huge drop off at all.
But how do we fall behind UGA and USC?
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:40 pm to ztucke2
My point isn't about Mett as much as it is about Miles. Mett won't have the stats of a top 5 QB because of Miles being so conservative, focused on the run game.
I'm sure Mett, under Petrino or Richt (known QB developers), would put up huge numbers in their offenses.
I'm sure Mett, under Petrino or Richt (known QB developers), would put up huge numbers in their offenses.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:41 pm to WarSlamEagle
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#6 preseason ranking for us...knowing our streak of exceeding expectations, we could end up with a chance to play in Atlanta.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:42 pm to oklahogjr
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But how do we fall behind UGA and USC?
Well, I don't know because I didn't make the list but I would assume you drop below the East Champion and maybe tie the 2nd place East team.
That's a question for the list maker.
I don't participate in this list making shenanigans.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:43 pm to oklahogjr
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But how do we fall behind UGA and USC?
Don't you lose like 4-5 players on both sides of the ball? What's your argument for being ahead of those teams then?
ETA: It's not that i don't disagree. To be honest i think Ark USC and UGA could be interchangable in these "power rankings"
This post was edited on 1/11/12 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:44 pm to roadGator
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You'll finish third in the West as usual
LSU and Bama finished 3rd and 4th in the West in 2010. Just because they were the class of the SEC this year doesn't necessarily mean that will be the case for years to come. Also, this year 3rd in the West was 5th in the country.
This post was edited on 1/11/12 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:46 pm to ocelot4ark
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Wow. You're still missing the point.
Arkansas, under Petrino, has consistently had good WRs and QBs. Therefore, I feel confident saying a backup/underclassman WR will be successful. On the contrary, I DON'T think we have a good track record with MLB's, so I'm not predicting an unproven player will be a top 5 MLB in the SEC.
LSU, under Miles, hasn't had great QB play in years. Therefore, it's a bit of a stretch for LSU fans to assume Mett will be a top 5 SEC QB. If you were talking about a safety, DLM, CB, etc? Well yeah, I would probably buy it. QB? No way.
Do I need to go slower than that? Or do you get it now?
No, friend. I understand you. And your belittling statements are unnecessary, but feel free to express yourself.
Coaches, either intentionally or unintentionally, specialize and tend to develop a particular side of the ball or specific corps better than other portions. With Petrino, it's QB play and WRs; offense, in general, could be inserted here. Saban, it's defensive backs and/or the defense as a whole. Yes, I understand your argument.
What you are failing to see is that it isn't Miles' ineptitude with QBs that has caused LSU's passing game to decline. It's the fact that our QB recruits simply did not live up to their hype or in the end, we're not top-notch SEC quality. This year, with less than a year working with Kragthorpe, Jarrett Lee played extremely well in the first 8 games, but fell apart when playing a great defense. Still, he showed vast improvement from last season to this one. This is the same QB that threw more pick 6's than TDs in one season.
Nearly everyone (national scouts, coaches, fans, etc.) would agree that Mettenberger is a better QB than Lee; thus, most LSU fans feel very confident that Zach will come in and thrive. When Miles has had a quality QB on the team, Russell, Flynn, Perrilloux (loosely add him here) until he was dismissed, our passing game was very consistent, if not very good.
The one place LSU has not recruited well in the past few years in at QB. Mettenberger was our first good/great QB recruit in quite some time, and when Miles is given a good QB to work with, yes, good results come with it.
Blame it on Jefferson/Lee, blame it on Crowton; I don't care. But saying LSU fans shouldn't be excited about the new QB is just misguided in this situation.
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