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re: DSOR: Herschel or Bo?

Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:36 am to
Posted by GoldenDawg
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Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:36 am to
Also - ENOUGH of this nonsense about Bo being a better athlete than HW.

Not true, and not even close. And this isn't because Bo wasn't a freak of an athlete. It's just that Herschel is a class unto himself.

Behold:

In 1982, Walker was jogging one morning and came upon a car accident. A 67-year old lady was trapped in her car while it was smoking. Herschel tore the car door open, then helped the scared lady out. " He just ripped the door open, glass shattered everywhere," said Ted Shanks, a witness. I guess he just flew off to class after all of that.

In 1982, Walker won the Heisman Trophy and held the world record, briefly, in the 60-yard dash with a 6.15 time. The same day, Carl Lewis would break that very record. Carl Lewis is a skinny sprinter while Herschel still did it in a 6'1, 225 lb. body.

When HW joined the New Jersey Generals, Walker made a name for a whole league all by himself. He had 25,283 yards combined between the USFL and the NFL. This is the most all-purpose yards in the history of professional football.

Walker not only created a league by himself, he created a future for the Dallas Cowboys in the 1990s with his value in the "Herschel Walker Trade." In 1994, Walker was the first NFL player to record a 90-yard TDs in three different ways-- rushing, kickoff returning, and receiving.

Wait - I ain't done. Walker is an all-around athlete. In the 1992 Winter Olympics, he won a bronze medal with a 4:03.95 time in the two man bobsled completion. At age 49, he stepped into the MMA ring where he won his first two fights. He's also a black belt in Jiu-Jitsu.

At the age of 50, he does 1,000 push-ups and 2,000 sit-ups per day and can run a 40-yard dash in 4.35. Walker has been on the front cover of Sports Illustrated 9 different times.

Now, tell me again how Bo (he of the hip implant) is or was a better athlete than Herschel.
Posted by dawg-fan#1
Athens, GA
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Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:38 am to
Damn...
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:39 am to
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This. Lache Seastrunk is averaging like 9 YPC. GOAT

YPC has a lot to do with there being other threats on the field. Just having the YPC is not that good of an argument



so ron dayne had 1866 more yards than HW, 19 more td's and .5 yard more per carry.

I guess Ron Dayne>>>HW
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
Member since Feb 2011
47325 posts
Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:40 am to
quote:

Also - ENOUGH of this nonsense about Bo being a better athlete than HW.

Not true, and not even close. And this isn't because Bo wasn't a freak of an athlete. It's just that Herschel is a class unto himself.

Behold:

In 1982, Walker was jogging one morning and came upon a car accident. A 67-year old lady was trapped in her car while it was smoking. Herschel tore the car door open, then helped the scared lady out. " He just ripped the door open, glass shattered everywhere," said Ted Shanks, a witness. I guess he just flew off to class after all of that.

In 1982, Walker won the Heisman Trophy and held the world record, briefly, in the 60-yard dash with a 6.15 time. The same day, Carl Lewis would break that very record. Carl Lewis is a skinny sprinter while Herschel still did it in a 6'1, 225 lb. body.

When HW joined the New Jersey Generals, Walker made a name for a whole league all by himself. He had 25,283 yards combined between the USFL and the NFL. This is the most all-purpose yards in the history of professional football.

Walker not only created a league by himself, he created a future for the Dallas Cowboys in the 1990s with his value in the "Herschel Walker Trade." In 1994, Walker was the first NFL player to record a 90-yard TDs in three different ways-- rushing, kickoff returning, and receiving.

Wait - I ain't done. Walker is an all-around athlete. In the 1992 Winter Olympics, he won a bronze medal with a 4:03.95 time in the two man bobsled completion. At age 49, he stepped into the MMA ring where he won his first two fights. He's also a black belt in Jiu-Jitsu.

At the age of 50, he does 1,000 push-ups and 2,000 sit-ups per day and can run a 40-yard dash in 4.35. Walker has been on the front cover of Sports Illustrated 9 different times.

Now, tell me again how Bo (he of the hip implant) is or was a better athlete than Herschel.


Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:43 am to
quote:


This. Lache Seastrunk is averaging like 9 YPC. GOAT



What a dumb arse. Early/Mid 1980's run D > 2013 Big 12 run D. Totally irrelevant, and doesn't follow comparing two RBs from the same conference during the same time period.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25872 posts
Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:46 am to
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I guess Ron Dayne>>>HW

I was pointing out why the YPC stat is flawed. All stats are flawed. This is why I said earlier itt that Hershel's most important accomplishments were 0 SEC losses, 3 SEC titles, and 1 national title.
Posted by adawgj
Brunswick
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:46 am to
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You mean beath the guy that was able to do this and this


Yes, that guy. Bat was cracked in 2nd video anyway.
This post was edited on 11/15/13 at 11:55 am
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25872 posts
Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:47 am to
quote:

What a dumb arse. Early/Mid 1980's run D > 2013 Big 12 run D. Totally irrelevant, and doesn't follow comparing two RBs from the same conference during the same time period.

I'm pointing out how comparing two RBs based only on YPC is ridiculous because circumstances are always different.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:50 am to
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I'm pointing out how comparing two RBs based only on YPC is ridiculous because circumstances are always different.


I understand that.. You just moved the goal posts outside of the stadium is all I'm saying.
Posted by smelvis
Member since Nov 2010
2107 posts
Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:52 am to
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so ron dayne had 1866 more yards than HW, 19 more td's and .5 yard more per carry.

I guess Ron Dayne>>>HW


Also had an extra year.

Fallback kids gonna fall back.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:54 am to
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Fallback kids gonna fall back.


How many times you guys going to post this before you realize it isn't effective.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:55 am to
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Also had an extra year.

Fallback kids gonna fall back.


yet still averaged more per year. face it, according to yalls argument RD>>HW
Posted by smelvis
Member since Nov 2010
2107 posts
Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:59 am to
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How many times you guys going to post this before you realize it isn't effective.


Your post about the lack of effectiveness of my slight upon Fallback U suggests otherwise.

That's called self-reporting bias.

A side effect of social acceptance validity. Hallmarks of Fallback U'ers. And further proof AwBruN is indeed Fallback U.
Posted by smelvis
Member since Nov 2010
2107 posts
Posted on 11/15/13 at 12:02 pm to
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yet still averaged more per year. face it, according to yalls argument RD>>HW


You're better than this....no capitalization and drive by nose thumbing at best.
Posted by KaiserSoze99
Member since Aug 2011
31669 posts
Posted on 11/15/13 at 12:02 pm to
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I also have a definitive reason as to why Bo > Herschel. Had Bo not had the hip injury, he would have been in both the Football and Baseball HOF which I'm pretty sure would have made his G.O.A.T status unquestioned. Compare that to a healthy Herschel and you have Bo over the top

I don't care if Bo won the Stanley Cup or a green jacket. This is Bo v. Herschel. Compare Bo to Hank Aaron if you wanna talk baseball.

Now, to the point. In my opinion, Bo was the more gifted athlete. That doesn't mean he was the best RB.

The case for Hershel:

quote:

Walker played running back for the University of Georgia, where he was a three-time All-American and winner of the 1982 Heisman Trophy and Maxwell Award. He is the only player in NCAA history to finish in the top three in Heisman voting in all three of his collegiate seasons. He is the only NCAA player who played only three years to finish in the top ten in rushing yards. During his freshman season in 1980, Walker set the NCAA freshman rushing record and finished third in Heisman voting. Walker was the first "true freshman" to become a first-team All-American.[5]

He played a major role in helping Georgia avoid defeat that year and win the de facto national championship with a victory over Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl.

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The Case for Bo:

quote:

During his time playing for the Auburn Tigers football team, he ran for 4,303 career yards,[9] which was the fourth best performance in SEC history. Jackson finished his career with an average of 6.6 yards (6.0 m) per carry, which set the SEC record (minimum 400 rushes).[11]

In 1982, Jackson's freshman year, Auburn played Boston College in the Tangerine Bowl, where Jackson made a one-handed grab on an option pitch. Auburn went on to win the game 33–26 as Jackson rushed 14 times for 64 yards and 2 TDs.[12]

In 1983, as a sophomore, Jackson rushed for 1,213 yards (1,109 m) on 158 carries, for an average of 7 yards per carry, which was the 2nd best single-season average in SEC history (minimum 100 rushes). In the 1983 Auburn-Alabama game, Jackson rushed for 256 yards on 20 rushes (12.8 yards per carry), which at the time was the sixth-most rushing yards gained in a game in SEC history and the 2nd best yard-per-rush average in a game (minimum 20 attempts) in SEC history. Auburn finished the season by winning the Sugar Bowl, where Jackson was named Most Valuable Player. In 1984, Jackson's junior year (most of which Jackson missed due to injury), he earned Most Valuable Player honors at the Liberty Bowl.[13]

In 1985, Jackson rushed for 1,786 yards which was the second best single-season performance in SEC history. That year, he averaged 6.4 yards per rush, which at the time was the best single-season average in SEC history. For his performance in 1985, Jackson was awarded the Heisman Trophy in what was considered the closest margin of victory ever in the history of the award, winning over University of Iowa quarterback Chuck Long.[9]

Jackson finished his career at Auburn with 4,575 all-purpose yards and 45 total touchdowns, 43 rushing and 2 receiving, with a 6.6 yards per carry average. Jackson's football number 34 was officially retired at Auburn in a halftime ceremony on October 31, 1992. His is one of only three numbers retired at Auburn. The others are 1971 Heisman Trophy winner Pat Sullivan's number 7, and the number 88 of Sullivan's teammate and favorite receiver, Terry Beasley. In 2007, Jackson was ranked #8 on ESPN's Top 25 Players In College Football History list.

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As a pure RB, I'm going with Hershel all day long.

As the guy I want on my team no matter what, Bo, without hesitation. And I say that in spite of this:

Posted by smelvis
Member since Nov 2010
2107 posts
Posted on 11/15/13 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

As the guy I want on my team no matter what, Bo, without hesitation.


Can I have Bo but make him not have the hips of an 80 year old woman or have to sit out a couple of seasons with Super AIDS?

Old Paper Tush was great at running up walls and stuff. Not made to last though.
Posted by ugasickem
Allatoona
Member since Nov 2010
10763 posts
Posted on 11/15/13 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

You mean beath the guy that was able to do this and this
You don't think Herschel Walker can break a bat over his knee?
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38012 posts
Posted on 11/15/13 at 12:07 pm to
Probably already been responded to, but from the tables you provided, Bo averaged 6.6 yards per rush, Herschel averaged 5.3 yards per rush.

6.6 > 5.3

Bo averaged 6.8 yards per play from scrimmage (rushing and receiving), Herschel averaged 5.4.

6.8 > 5.4

Bo scored 45 TDs from scrimmage (rushing and receiving) on 676 plays from scrimmage which means Bo scored a touchdown every 15 times he touched the ball. Herschel scored 52 TDs on 1020 plays from scrimmage for an average of a touchdown every 19.6 times he touched the ball.

1 TD ever 15 touches > 1 TD every 19.6 touches

So the choice is easy if you want the running back who gets more yardage every time he touches the ball and scores more often the more you give him the ball.

Anyone who would choose Herschel over Bo is the same kind of person who would choose Tony Gwynn over Ted Williams.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260171 posts
Posted on 11/15/13 at 12:07 pm to
Earl Campbell
Posted by TemperdTiger
Montgomery, AL
Member since Oct 2013
1860 posts
Posted on 11/15/13 at 12:10 pm to
You realize that Bo dislocating his own hip by the pure drive of his own legs was thought to be physically impossible before he did it, right?
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