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re: Doesn't look like the baseball will prioritize going to college any time soon.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:34 am to Drewbie
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:34 am to Drewbie
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Players that go to college are actually hurting themselves in the MLB because they are "aging" while not being trained by farm teams.
Where was Stanek drafted out of high school? I suspect he hasn't hurt himself too much.
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:35 am to DaleDenton
There goes college baseball as we know it.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:36 am to Drewbie
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Players that go to college are actually hurting themselves in the MLB because they are "aging" while not being trained by farm teams.
Didn't hurt Gauseman last year.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:38 am to piggidyphish
not to mention the shear numbers... what?... 31 MLB teams with three farm teams each... and how many college teams take baseball seriously?... SEC, ACC, Pac12, and a few other schools.
The calendar also has a lot to do with it... college teams arent' gonna play all spring and summer, when school's out.
There is no logical argument for college programs to become the major source of MLB player development.
The calendar also has a lot to do with it... college teams arent' gonna play all spring and summer, when school's out.
There is no logical argument for college programs to become the major source of MLB player development.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:38 am to Drewbie
Good. MLB has no interest in watching a kid spend 3 or 4 years of his developmental years under the supervision of a college coaching staff, playing with metal bats, going to class, not being available for spring training, playing fewer games, etc.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:40 am to lowspark12
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not to mention the shear numbers... what?... 31 MLB teams with three farm teams each
More than that. I believe its around 200-250 minor league teams
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The calendar also has a lot to do with it... college teams arent' gonna play all spring and summer, when school's out. There is no logical argument for college programs to become the major source of MLB player development.
also the restrictions the NCAA has on practicing/ cocahing contact, etc..., as well as they are having to go to school also
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:41 am to Wild Thang
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Didn't hurt Gausman last year.
Was about to say that. Was watching a game where they were talking about another pitcher getting called up quickly as well.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:42 am to lsu711
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Where was Stanek drafted out of high school? I suspect he hasn't hurt himself too much.
Not high enough to start out in the pros.
Sure he has improved his draft position in college, that is what the college game is used for the kids who are not drafted high enough to warrant skipping college.
No other sport has a "second chance" at making the pros like Baseball, if you are good enough you can leave right out of HS, if not go to college and improve your game. If you don't make it out of HS, the team will pay for your college, many of these guys end up playing a different sport when they go back to college, some have made it to the pros in those sports for a third chance at a pro career.
In football, you go to college, then if you are not good enough for the NFL you find yourself in the CFL, arena league, or some semi-pro type feel league, most of these guys never get a chance at the NFL again.
NBA? At least 1 year of college, NBA or NBDL for peanuts or there is always a career overseas or South America somewhere, but again slim chances for these guys to develop enough to make it to or back to the NBA, they still can make some decent money overseas, however.
If anything the problem with the system is basketball, the college game was better when guys stayed 3 years, the NBA game was better back then as well, why? because no other form of development was available (or is) for players other than college, the guys who were good enough to play in the NBA made it, now teams draft off potential and are using spots on their squad like MLB has farm teams to find and develop talent.
Imagine how shitty the NFL would become if they allowed players to be drafted out of HS or 1 year of college...
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:45 am to Drewbie
Our top-rated QB signee from Houston is probably going to the MLB as a top 10 draft pick. Believe me, we are suffering from MLBs inaction.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:52 am to DaleDenton
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If anything the problem with the system is basketball, the college game was better when guys stayed 3 years, the NBA game was better back then as well, why?
The 60's and prior?
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:53 am to tigerskin
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Was about to say that. Was watching a game where they were talking about another pitcher getting called up quickly as well.
Michael Roth was called up in April for a few games.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:54 am to lsu711
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Where was Stanek drafted out of high school?
3rd round by the Mariners (99th overall).
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:55 am to NYCAuburn
I agree with a lot that has been said... but I tend to think that if two of the three major sports require the kids go to college for 1 or 2 years, then MLB should follow suit. I would think that more kids are probably capable of coming out of highschool football and playing pro ball than baseball. So why wont the MLB do the same thing the NFL does??
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:56 am to NYCAuburn
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The 60's and prior?
Up until 2000, or so, sure you had guys in the 80s and 90s go out of HS (rare, Moses Malone and Kevin Garnett only ones who really "made it" right out) and a few guys who left after 1 or 2 years (Starburry), but the majority of the top NBA players played 3 or more years in college at that time, MJ, Barkly, Akeem, Drexler, Karl Malone, Ewing, Mourning, etc. AI leaving Georgetown early was a "huge deal" at the time.
Kobe might have been the tipping point, the Lakers took him out of HS, he sat the bench for a few years and developed towards what he became, then you had teams wasting a #1 pick on guys like Kwame Brown, Olawacandy (or however you spell it), etc.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:57 am to NYCAuburn
The annoucers at LSU's regional last week made a good point.
Why not come play at a place like LSU with the facilaties and exposure, instead of hopping on a bus every day to play in the minors for 3 years?
The bats in college are much closer to wooden bats than ever, and unless you are given a huge bonus out of highschool, why sign.
Why not come play at a place like LSU with the facilaties and exposure, instead of hopping on a bus every day to play in the minors for 3 years?
The bats in college are much closer to wooden bats than ever, and unless you are given a huge bonus out of highschool, why sign.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:58 am to DirtMcGirt13
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. I would think that more kids are probably capable of coming out of highschool football and playing pro ball than baseball.
Actually, no, the NFL has 53 spots on the roster plus a few practice squad player spots.
A MLB team has over a 100 spots available between their MLB team, AAA, AA, and A teams.
This post was edited on 6/6/13 at 11:59 am
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:58 am to NYCAuburn
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The 60's and prior?
Spending 3 years in college was common well into the 90s. Jordan, Ewing, Olajuwon, etc. all did it. All of the Fab Five spent at least 2 years in college. Then in the mid-late 90s more and more kids started declaring out of high school and it snowballed until you had guys declaring despite being borderline 1st round picks. That's when the NBA stepped in and required 1 year of college.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 12:01 pm to DaleDenton
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Up until 2000, or so, sure you had guys in the 80s and 90s go out of HS (rare, Moses Malone and Kevin Garnett only ones who really "made it" right out) and a few guys who left after 1 or 2 years (Starburry), but the majority of the top NBA players played 3 or more years in college at that time, MJ, Barkly, Akeem, Drexler, Karl Malone, Ewing, Mourning, etc. AI leaving Georgetown early was a "huge deal" at the time.
There were many, but not on this level. but there was no rule
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Kobe might have been the tipping point
maybe, garnett, kobe, mscgrady were all the tipping points, with the onslaught starting with Miles.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 12:07 pm to DirtMcGirt13
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I would think that more kids are probably capable of coming out of highschool football and playing pro ball than baseball
Most kids aren't capable of coming out of higschool football and starting as a freshman in college...what is your reasoning for thinking that they can play pro?
And the argument for baseball not changing (thank god) is based on development for the masses, not the superstar who is ready from day one.
and it's not like these kids are prevented from going to college, they just know the better development happens in the minors.
This post was edited on 6/6/13 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 6/6/13 at 12:08 pm to NYCAuburn
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maybe, garnett, kobe, mscgrady were all the tipping points, with the onslaught starting with Miles.
Garnett, McGrady, and Miles had bigger roles for the team they were drafted by than Kobe, Kobe showed that you could take a guy with talent and potential, then develop him along the way. What was the downfall, really, was shitty teams spending their top pick on a guy with potential, but because they "earned" that top pick by being so shitty, they couldn't afford to develop him along the way, they had to rely on him like you normally would a 3 year player out of college back in the 80s/90s (MJ, Ewing, Barkley, etc) in the same scenario.
NBA teams are still drafting one and dones off potential (Goodwin this year), the difference is now these players can see if they are ready in that year, whether they choose to take advantage of development time in college is one thing, Kentucky's 1anddones of a couple years ago who came back for a second year or BJ Young who still isn't ready (or wanted in college anymore) who leaves anyway.
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