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re: Does the number of championships make one program more “elite” than others?
Posted on 8/8/19 at 4:08 pm to NYCAuburn
Posted on 8/8/19 at 4:08 pm to NYCAuburn
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Was UGA's title an AP title? or a widely recognized title then or now?
No. But you do know there were more polls at the time than the AP, right? And some of the polls were thought of as highly as the AP at that time.
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Posted on 8/8/19 at 4:10 pm to NYCAuburn
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You down playing the AP then going off another tangent. Your argument is flawed
While the Ohio State Buckeyes were crowned national champions by AP, Georgia was named national champion by NCAA-designated major selectors of Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Houlgate, Litkenhous, Poling, Sagarin, Sagarin (ELO-Chess), and Williamson.[2] The Buckeyes did not compete in a bowl game in 1942
No. It's not.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 4:11 pm to NocaHomas Teepee
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All retroactive titles are bull shite.
Really? But Georgia's was only recognized retroactively by a couple of polls. Georgia was recognized by more polls in 1942 than any other team. Polls recognized by the NCAA at the time.
So. Your point?
Posted on 8/8/19 at 4:16 pm to RatRodDawg
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RatRodDawg
Finally, someone understands the difference between a blueblood and a currently elite status team/program.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 4:19 pm to Prof
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Finally, someone understands the difference between a blueblood and a currently elite status team/program.
I think plenty of people understand the difference, it's whether they'll acknowledge it or not.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 4:20 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I think plenty of people understand the difference, it's whether they'll acknowledge it or not.
Fair enough.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 4:21 pm to fibonaccisquared
Haven't read through everything - have we established which one of things that we are #1 at is the true barometer of eliteness?
Posted on 8/8/19 at 4:31 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Haven't read through everything - have we established which one of things that we are #1 at is the true barometer of eliteness?
Oh god no...
Somehow we were then thrown down the rabbit hole of UGA was the only team who played football in 1942 because we hate America, despite the rest of the league playing and 6 teams finishing ranked in the top 25 (4 in the top 10).
Also, I didn't read it all but NYC and DL got into some kind of tiff over validity of polls, retroactive claimed titles, and the like... I dunno.
Way back at the beginning, WG gave a sound argument for what I would constitute a measurement of a "program's historical greatness"... RatRod then gave a pretty good argument for separating "blueblood/historical greatness" from currently and/or modern era "elite" teams.
No need to suffer back several pages...
Posted on 8/8/19 at 4:45 pm to fibonaccisquared
Take the L, chief dodger.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 4:45 pm to AshleySchaeffer
quote:Yes. /thread
But what about teams like Oregon compared to Auburn. Auburn has two more rings than Oregon does, but does that make the Tiger football team more of an “elite” program than the Ducks?
Posted on 8/8/19 at 4:49 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Take the L, chief dodger.
lulz... you do you man... We've tried excusing your strautism for as long as we can do it, but at this point it just is what it is. You can't make a cogent argument, when you get called out on it, you try and spin and/or deflect, and then when you lose that ground, you ignore that it happened and try and claim mythical e-wins. Whatever makes you feel better.
Regarding your position in this post...
Posted on 8/8/19 at 4:57 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Calm down, snack
The moment when Straws is so lost he has to piggy-back a shitty insult from a complete buffoon.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 5:02 pm to AshleySchaeffer
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Auburn has two more rings than Oregon does, but does that make the Tiger football team more of an “elite” program than the Ducks?
That and just about every other category. Auburn is a Top 13 or 14 program.... Oregon is probably around #35.
Sure, Oregon's lack of a Championship hurts their program resume, but not fielding a competitive team until the 1990s has more to do with it than anything.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 5:18 pm to NCDawg52
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There is an argument that in the old days of CFB, all the other factors were more important. But, at least since the BCS era, I simply think that nothing but national titles matters and nothing but national titles makes you a national power.
Your life as a fan (or player or coach) will always be miserable with that point of view.
I’m firmly of the opinion that a national championship is always the goal, but you’re being extreme.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 5:29 pm to NCDawg52
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Anything that I haven’t been alive for isn’t really relevant to me as a fan.
I’m glad you think this way. Let’s say you were born in 1960, Florida owns the record vs Georgia 32-26 with Florida winning 3 national championships and Georgia winning only 1. Basically unless y’all Georgia fans were born in the 1940’s, Florida owns the series in your lifetime and is the better program.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 5:40 pm to DawgsLife
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A title recognized by the NCAA that would be legit today?
You are correct, DawgsLife.
ANY title recognized by the NCAA, as listed in their Official Records Book (which I have), is LEGIT, and the school is welcome to CLAIM THAT TITLE IF THEY WISH. However, not all schools claim all the titles that are officially recognized by the governing body called the NCAA.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 5:45 pm to DawgsLife
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You down playing the AP then going off another tangent. Your argument is flawed
NYCAuburn doesn't know what he's talking about.
The AP only began to gain some status as one of MANY, MANY NCAA-recognized polls in the '50's and '60's.
While Ohio State was named 1942's AP champion, UGA was the national CONSENSUS CHAMPION. The AP did not have the status back then that it did beginning in the '60's. Even in the '60's, there were still many poll selectors that were officially sanctioned by the NCAA to select champions.
All of this is the main reason why we eventually went to the BCS and now the CFP. It'll change again in the future, I'm sure.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 5:46 pm to AshleySchaeffer
I believe winning championships is the goal of every program, therefore using that as a measurement is valid. When you are talking elite that's based on continued success over a period of time and the list of elites changes as time goes by
Posted on 8/8/19 at 5:46 pm to AshleySchaeffer
Yes. Like the subtle Georgia troll.
Very well done
Very well done
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