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re: Does the number of championships make one program more “elite” than others?
Posted on 8/8/19 at 7:46 pm to RatRodDawg
Posted on 8/8/19 at 7:46 pm to RatRodDawg
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Georgia Bulldogs also have a tenuous claim, as nine ranking authorities listed in the NCAA record books rank the Bulldogs as #1. These are limited to very minor polls and services that retroactively released rankings many years later. Georgia did not officially claim 1942 as a championship year until well after their 1980 National Championship season.
Any Bulldoggies care to refute the bolded part?
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Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:21 pm to NocaHomas Teepee
There were 2 polls that existed in 1942 - the AP (Ohio State) and the Helms Athletic Foundation (Wisconsin). Anything else at the time was either a math or research formula by individuals. It's right there on page 110 of the records book yet certain posters just get so bent out of shape and rustled.
"Well I was the starting QB of our first national championship team. Of course they started claiming something from the 1940s after I graduated." - Buck Belue
"Well I was the starting QB of our first national championship team. Of course they started claiming something from the 1940s after I graduated." - Buck Belue
This post was edited on 8/8/19 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:38 pm to Korin
Par for course for a fan base that can barely remember their last National Championship and think that regular season wins matter more than Championships, if you ask me.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 10:30 pm to NocaHomas Teepee
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Any Bulldoggies care to refute the bolded part?
Yeah, I'll refute it.
MANY schools haven't laid claim to their titles until well after they were named #1 by a particular poll. MANY.
ALABAMA...MICHIGAN...USC...TENNESSEE and on and on. There's nothing wrong with that. The point is that all those titles are officially recognized titles by the NCAA---it's in their official records book.
Any school that is listed in their records as national champions may lay claim to them if they wish. If they don't want to claim them, that's their business.
In some years there are 3 to 5 different schools voted #1...everyone of them are able to lay claim as being champion because the NCAA recognizes them. That's why some schools have gone back and added their titles to their own records---FOR RECRUITING PURPOSES.
UGA was voted #1 in 6 different years...1920, 1927, 1942, 1946, 1968 and 1980. If UGA wants to, they can lay claim to all 6 and it will be within their right to do so IF THEY WANT TO. But, they don't. That's their choice.
Alabama lays claim to 17 titles...personally, I think they only won 11---but, that's UA's right to claim them if they want to because the NCAA recognizes Alabama's titles in those years when other teams actually were consensus winners and not UA. But, they're allowed to.
UGA was the consensus winner in 1942 and they decided to lay claim to it after 1980. So what? Michigan decided back in the late 1990's and early 2000's to go back and lay claim to 10 other titles they had never claimed before. So what? That's their right...they can claim them any time they want to and so can UGA and so can any other school that's been named #1 before.
Get over it.
This post was edited on 8/8/19 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 8/8/19 at 10:35 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Par for course for a fan base that can barely remember their last National Championship and think that regular season wins matter more than Championships, if you ask me.
What's par for the course for the Gators are bowl bans and conference titles being stripped for cheating, players violating Title IX regulations, beating on women, shooting and killing others, and literally running a prison farm on their own campus all in the name of "Go Gators!"
Too bad they closed Alcatraz down early...the Gators could've filled it right back up and kept'em comin'.
This post was edited on 8/8/19 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 8/8/19 at 10:49 pm to Korin
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"Well I was the starting QB of our first national championship team. Of course they started claiming something from the 1940s after I graduated." - Buck Belue
He was merely requoting what is in UGA's official records about the 1980 title....1980 was UGA's first UNDISPUTED national title, which is right. All other titles won by UGA were shared titles.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 10:55 pm to AshleySchaeffer
You make it out like Auburn and Oregon are comparable outside of the 2 championships.
Oregon has absolutely no real winning tradition of any kind to go with no rings.
Auburn's history, even without the two titles, is still better than Oregons.
Titles are one of the many components of what goes into making a program legit.
Oregon has absolutely no real winning tradition of any kind to go with no rings.
Auburn's history, even without the two titles, is still better than Oregons.
Titles are one of the many components of what goes into making a program legit.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 11:37 pm to RatRodDawg
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What's par for the course for the Gators are bowl bans and conference titles being stripped for cheating, players violating Title IX regulations, beating on women, shooting and killing others, and literally running a prison farm on their own campus all in the name of "Go Gators!"
Too bad they closed Alcatraz down early...the Gators could've filled it right back up and kept'em comin'.
Georgia literally had more players arrested this off-season and one of them admitted to beating a woman, moron.
Nothin' better than watching some idiot on his high horse fall and break his neck.
This post was edited on 8/8/19 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 8/9/19 at 1:12 am to AshleySchaeffer
MINNESOTA has 4 AP titles - 1936, 1940, 1941, 1960 with 2 additional pre-AP claims in 1935, 1936.
Tennessee, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Clemson, Washington all have LESS poll titles BUT are way more ELITE historically than MINNESOTA.
Gophers are a unique case. Last conference title was shared in 1967; last major Bowl was the 1962 Rose. Minnesota is a forgotten former power as they’ve not had any consistency in the modern era. Their 1960 AP & UPI claim, while legit, is quite hilarious when compared to better seasons by Mississippi and Missouri.
Tennessee, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Clemson, Washington all have LESS poll titles BUT are way more ELITE historically than MINNESOTA.
Gophers are a unique case. Last conference title was shared in 1967; last major Bowl was the 1962 Rose. Minnesota is a forgotten former power as they’ve not had any consistency in the modern era. Their 1960 AP & UPI claim, while legit, is quite hilarious when compared to better seasons by Mississippi and Missouri.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 8:33 am to ExpoTiger
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Actually I think they are the perfect comparison considering the context. The are a program without a long history of winning championships or pulling in highly ranked classes but we all know how their program has blown up over the last 15 years or so. They have an ultra shiny modern Nike-centric program that is very appealing to recruits and they have taken huge steps on the field.
So if you are top recruit does it matter more what the program has accomplished or what is on the horizon and what you could be a part of. Winning the first championship is a doozy and frankly, I’m surprised that Oregon hasn’t put together more stacked classes consistently, considering what they offer as a program. Would be cool to be a part of the first Oregon team to win it all. Would be a big deal to me if I was from that part of the country.
You have to wonder if Oregon simply hasn't gone after coaches known for top recruiting. Their focus seems to be soley on coaches with speedy offenses.
While Oregon doesn't have a huge stadium, it is known for being loud, and their player amenities (lounge, etc) are possibly the best anywhere.
Put a cruitin' coach from the SEC there and they'd be pulling 5-stars from the West and probably all over the country.
This post was edited on 8/9/19 at 8:34 am
Posted on 8/9/19 at 9:02 am to RatRodDawg
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Yeah, I'll refute it.
/snip/
Why didn't UGA claim a 1942 NC at the end of the 1942 season?
Or did you answer that question here?
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That's why some schools have gone back and added their titles to their own records---FOR RECRUITING PURPOSES.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 9:31 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Nothin' better than watching some idiot on his high horse fall and break his neck.
Not true...another make-believe statement from you...you're spending way too much time on the spinning teacups at Disneyland (or Disney World in your case).
Posted on 8/9/19 at 9:34 am to NocaHomas Teepee
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Why didn't UGA claim a 1942 NC at the end of the 1942 season?
You got it...right along with everyone else, except UGA's used a bit more restraint. Tennessee used to claim only 2 titles and in one year, their total shot up to 6. UGA's refused to do that.
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