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re: Does the number of championships make one program more “elite” than others?
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:45 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:45 pm to DawgsLife
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What makes a title legit, in your opinion?
Its pretty widely held that the AP is legit. Retro polls coming 20-50 years later would not....
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If Ole Miss was allowed to play two years ago and only bowl banned and they went 12-0 with players they paid....should they count their title?
what does this have to do with anything? 
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Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:46 pm to AshleySchaeffer
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my my my here we are again. Somehow I just knew you would find your way to this thread typing up a storm. But don’t worry little buddy, I’m putting in a good word for you.
Again... incapable of coherent, logical conversation... No prob.
Back to the D-league. The big kids are conversing.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:47 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
"As the Swamp Burns" has really ruined you, hasn't it? Poor Straws. Are your feelings hurt? 
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:47 pm to AshleySchaeffer
Boy swallowed the whole hook.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:48 pm to NCDawg52
quote:That sir, is a damn fine point. Damn fine. I suppose that settles it: the more ships, especially in the modern era, is the deciding factor.
I simply think that nothing but national titles matters and nothing but national titles makes you a national power.
I’m not too good at math. Is 3 more than 1?
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:48 pm to NYCAuburn
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If Ole Miss was allowed to play two years ago and only bowl banned and they went 12-0 with players they paid....should they count their title?
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what does this have to do with anything?
Answer the question and I will tell you. Should Ole Miss count it as a Championship or not?
Yes or no. It's simple really.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:48 pm to NCDawg52
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National championships are the only thing that matters. Everything else is meaningless.
They should be the end all, but human vote ruled the day & still decides the "mini playoff".
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:50 pm to DawgsLife
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Answer the question and I will tell you. Should Ole Miss count it as a Championship or not?
Yes or no. It's simple really.
Your mental gymnastics arent going to change the fact that the polls claimed by UGA were not legit and retroactive. So please explain your hypothetical scenario that means nothing to the debate of actual history Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:50 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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The vast majority of them didn't field teams in 1943. The SEC went from 12 teams to 5 the next year due to not having the players.
Again... try to stay on topic. I'll let DJ come in and clean up the "distract when wrong" conversation...
What teams did in 1943 has literally nothing to do with 1942. 6 SEC teams were ranked in the AP top 25 at the end of the season. 4 were top 10... This in no way meshes with your idea that UGA was alone playing with a talented team in 1942. You can spin until you're blue in the face, but the facts don't align with your desired outcome.
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Georgia fielded a team but lost to Georgia Tech and put an asterisk next to the game because they felt it was unfair.
Talk about your little bitch boy pussies.
UF to this date does the exact same thing... Glass houses and all. I've never criticized UF for it, but if you're gonna bring it up it's worth noting that we did it in reaction to other teams having done it first...
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:50 pm to NYCAuburn
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Its pretty widely held that the AP is legit. Retro polls coming 20-50 years later would not....
You do know for years the AP was done by one man according to his personal opinion, right? I mean, true, that was before Auburn's title, and yest it was legit, but it doesn't change the fact that had Auburn been caught today doing what they did in 1956, you wouldn't have been able to eve qualify for a title.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:51 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Laying bait on tRant is like swinging a 3 iron. It usually never goes the way you want it to, but when you hit that bad boy flush, it’s top 5 best feeling in the world
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:51 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Thank you for your continued interest in Dawgs football.
You get owned in every thread about Georgia. If it's not dj owning you then fibo does.
You get owned in every thread about Georgia. If it's not dj owning you then fibo does.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:52 pm to AshleySchaeffer
Titles aren't necessary to make a program "elite". However, it is one of several components necessary to have in their trophy case to be considered a "blueblood", and there's a difference.
"Eliteness" is a term usually referring to how a program has been doing in a recent time period. It can fluctuate over time.
Being a "blueblood" is a program that has been around for century or so, has won one or more titles, lots of bowl game appearances/wins, Heismans, lots of wins, high winning %, conference titles, NFL draft picks, and so on. It's a term usually associated with programs that have accomplished much over a sustained and long period of time. They may have some down periods during which they're below their standard, but, overall they're among the best.
Elite Example: Pittsburgh
Pitt was an "elite" program back in the mid-1970's through the early 1980's. They won one national title during that period, but they were generally very good and had excellent players who won Heismans, etc.
Today, Pitt is not an elite program and haven't been for a long time. They are NOT considered a blueblood.
Blueblood Example: Tennessee
Right now, Tennessee is not an elite program. They've been down for quite a number of years, uncustomary to their overall history and tradition of winning. But, they can return to "elite-status" through winning more.
Tennessee is, however, a blueblood, due to their long history of accomplishments and standing among other Power 5 programs over the LONG HAUL.
SEC programs that are considered as bluebloods right now (by sports journalists, writers, historians, etc.), are:
Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, LSU, Florida, and Auburn (the "Big 6").
Other programs generally considered "blueblood" outside the SEC: USC, Michigan, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas, Florida State, Penn State, Ohio State.
"Eliteness" is a term usually referring to how a program has been doing in a recent time period. It can fluctuate over time.
Being a "blueblood" is a program that has been around for century or so, has won one or more titles, lots of bowl game appearances/wins, Heismans, lots of wins, high winning %, conference titles, NFL draft picks, and so on. It's a term usually associated with programs that have accomplished much over a sustained and long period of time. They may have some down periods during which they're below their standard, but, overall they're among the best.
Elite Example: Pittsburgh
Pitt was an "elite" program back in the mid-1970's through the early 1980's. They won one national title during that period, but they were generally very good and had excellent players who won Heismans, etc.
Today, Pitt is not an elite program and haven't been for a long time. They are NOT considered a blueblood.
Blueblood Example: Tennessee
Right now, Tennessee is not an elite program. They've been down for quite a number of years, uncustomary to their overall history and tradition of winning. But, they can return to "elite-status" through winning more.
Tennessee is, however, a blueblood, due to their long history of accomplishments and standing among other Power 5 programs over the LONG HAUL.
SEC programs that are considered as bluebloods right now (by sports journalists, writers, historians, etc.), are:
Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, LSU, Florida, and Auburn (the "Big 6").
Other programs generally considered "blueblood" outside the SEC: USC, Michigan, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas, Florida State, Penn State, Ohio State.
This post was edited on 8/8/19 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:52 pm to DawgsLife
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You do know for years the AP was done by one man according to his personal opinion, right?
Was it in 1942? Do you know what a red herring is?
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I mean, true, that was before Auburn's title, and yest it was legit, but it doesn't change the fact that had Auburn been caught today doing what they did in 1956, you wouldn't have been able to eve qualify for a title.
and there it is.... Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:52 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Boy swallowed the whole hook.
You've embarrassed yourself with an inaccurate take, I've shown you, and you now think somehow you've done the trolling.
Let me know your opinion on Mullen's winning percentage against the SECw whenever you decide you're ready.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:52 pm to DawgsLife
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You do know for years the AP was done by one man according to his personal opinion, right? I mean, true, that was before Auburn's title, and yest it was legit, but it doesn't change the fact that had Auburn been caught today doing what they did in 1956, you wouldn't have been able to eve qualify for a title.
That was only for two years, 1934 and 1935. I guess 2 seasons are technically "years" and therefore plural, but it was far from the norm.
This post was edited on 8/8/19 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:53 pm to NYCAuburn
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Your mental gymnastics arent going to change the fact that the polls claimed by UGA were not legit and retroactive. So please explain your hypothetical scenario that means nothing to the debate of actual history
Then you have a problem with the NCAA because the polls were legit enough for them to recognize it.
My hypothetical has everything to do with actual history. You know it, and that is why you don't want to answer the question.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:53 pm to NocaHomas Teepee
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That was only for two years, 1934 and 1935.
True. how does that contradict anything I said?
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:54 pm to AshleySchaeffer
Yes. Our number of disc golf championships and javelin throw trophies makes all of you inferior.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:55 pm to fibonaccisquared
fibonaccisquared looking like a snack right now
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