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re: Does Kirby waste the most talent in the SEC?
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:09 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:09 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Trying to keep two really good QB's on your roster is going to be next to impossible going forward and that covers all programs
UGA has been dealing with this since Nate Hybl.
It works if the younger QB continues to fight despite being at the disadvantage (tua being one of the best examples).
UGA had success with Shockley waiting his turn. Fields unfortunately got into his feelings in the spring when Fromm was so far ahead. It is tough for coaches to reward a player who isnt grinding harder. Fields isnt better than Tua from a mental makeup (and i do know how close tua was to transferring)
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:24 am to OBReb6
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Georgia has the most sensitive fans in the SEC. with that combo you have these very long threads every time they feel threatened
Easy to refute nonsensical claims =/= sensitive.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:28 am to meansonny
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From a QB efficiency standpoint, i think you are correct. There are a lot of other metrics that can be used, though (passing yards, TDs, etc..)
3Rd highest TD total for a single season...only Murray had 2 season that were better and I believe the best completion percentage ever.Passing yardage can be somewhat deceptive without TD's and percentages to match.
Top 5 at the very minimum by almost any combined metrics.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:33 am to armtackledawg
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O got skulled this year with a stacked roster.
not sure if serious...
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:38 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Oh and you never want to read that LSU has a really good QB from outside the state of Loseranna. That could be trouble with all the talent they have at all other spots
LSU currently has 3 4 star quarterbacks from outside Louisiana and a 5 star coming in next season.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 10:02 am to RD Dawg
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3Rd highest TD total for a single season...only Murray had 2 season that were better and I believe the best completion percentage ever.Passing yardage can be somewhat deceptive without TD's and percentages to match.
Top 5 at the very minimum by almost any combined metrics
The problem for Fromm is that the more he threw, the less he was effective. And as can be true for many QBs, the more they throw the more they can hurt the team.
Stafford had 77 more pass attempts in 2008 (1 fewer game)
Murray had 83 more pass attempts in 2012.
If Fromm was having the 2nd best season as a QB, why didnt we throw more?
Passing yardage is indicative of how much the offense relied on the QB to be effective. It partially negates the importance of efficiency because it is an indicator of need:competence.
My first impulse was top 5. But there are many different ways to judge it.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 10:15 am to meansonny
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If Fromm was having the 2nd best season as a QB, why didnt we throw more?
Because our defense didn’t suck. Games were over at half and we killed clock with the run. 2018 Fromm was very good, but couldn’t make the single play to beat bama. No coach would have benched him, especially saban.
This post was edited on 5/2/21 at 10:17 am
Posted on 5/2/21 at 10:30 am to djsdawg
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Because our defense didn’t suck.
Agree to disagree. After losing Roquan, it was an entirely new defensive scheme (not desired around Roquan doing everything). Our linebacker play was average/mediocre at best.
In 2018, we gave up 10 rushing TDs to QBs. Think about that. And everyone is shocked that Kirby was more afraid of Jalen Hurts at the end of the SECCG than trying a fake on 4th and 8. It was the smart playcall because every reasonable fan knew we couldnt stop a mobile QB with 4 downs to win the game.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 10:52 am to meansonny
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Agree to disagree. After losing Roquan, it was an entirely new defensive scheme
The proof is in the actual games, so you need to point to them to prove your point.
The 2018 team was probably our best overall regular season team under Kirby and we closed teams out quickly, thus reducing the amount of throwing we needed to do.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:03 am to djsdawg
Jake failed to make that HUGE play vs The King back to back years. He was still a good solid QB but he failed to grab that GREAT moment.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:20 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Jake failed to make that HUGE play vs The King back to back years. He was still a good solid QB but he failed to grab that GREAT moment.
He wouldn’t have even needed to make such a play had he made a simple play like not sliding before a first down marker. Very good chance we win if he gets a first down on that run. Such a slim difference between champion and loser. That’s what makes people’s Kirby hot takes so stupid.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:23 am to djsdawg
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Such a slim difference between champion and loser. That’s what makes people’s Kirby hot takes so stupid.
Come on, do it, say that Georgia just hasn't had the luck.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:27 am to djsdawg
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Agree to disagree. After losing Roquan, it was an entirely new defensive scheme
The proof is in the actual games, so you need to point to them to prove your point.
The 2018 team was probably our best overall regular season team under Kirby and we closed teams out quickly, thus reducing the amount of throwing we needed to do.
Are you disagreeing that we schemed our linebackers differently than with Roquan?
I dont understand your point.
But i will direct you to specific games. In 2017, we averaged 30 pass attempts per loss. In 2018, we averaged 20 pass attempts per loss.
Does that indicate that Fromm was better and our coaches didnt know how to use him? Or does it indicate that our coaches were aware of his performance when the pressure is on him directly to make a big play and they tried to protect the team from the results of that pressure?
The best use of Fromm's talent was to throw a backshoulder on 3rd down. And he was the hero at that when we had the target who was physically dominant over the opponent. The coaches hesitation to ask Fromm to be more than he was capable (in his best season) is telling.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:32 am to meansonny
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If Fromm was having the 2nd best season as a QB, why didnt we throw more?
Ask Chaney.
He was still stuck in the "chopping wood" era plus we had two very good RB but serious weapons on the outside that were vastly underused along with our TE.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:43 am to SmokeTide
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Natty appearance
3 SEC championship appearances in 5 years
Playoff win
He's doing pretty damn good honestly. I do think if Georgia doesn't get it done this season, I'm not sure when.
I know some are just trolling and the others are just idiots, but to say a HC in only his 5th year, with Kirby’s resume, is wasting talent is moronic at best.
But morons gonna moron.
This post was edited on 5/2/21 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:46 am to SidewalkTiger
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Come on, do it, say that Georgia just hasn't had the luck.
Bama did get a very lucky bounce in that game as well, which further proves my point.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:48 am to djsdawg
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Bama did get a very lucky bounce in that game as well, which further proves my point.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:12 pm to meansonny
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Are you disagreeing that we schemed our linebackers differently than with Roquan?
I am not talking about any of our LB’s specifically. I am talking about our overall team .
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In 2017, we averaged 30 pass attempts per loss. In 2018, we averaged 20 pass attempts per loss.
Where did you get these numbers?
2017: 28,32
2018: 34,39,34
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:58 pm to djsdawg
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Where did you get these numbers?
2017: 28,32
2018: 34,39,34
My bad. Old eyes on my phone saw completions for 2018 (cfbstats).
Posted on 5/2/21 at 1:18 pm to auzach91
He actually gets a bad rap for player development. I saw an an article (Dawg Sports-SB Nation... bias noted) on it today.
That said, he evaluates well, recruits well, and develops well, so with one of the highest composite talent rosters in the nation, yes, he may have underperformed in terms of coaching success. But, he still has had enviable success by most measures. His history of SEC West arse kickings are most notable. But, Looking across the SEC this year, it is pretty much his best chance to pull it off. If not now, some will have to wonder if he can ever get it done.
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"38.5% of five-star players will never be drafted."
"Since Kirby Smart became head coach, every five-star prospect that has come to UGA and stayed in the program has been drafted. 66.7% of those five-stars have been drafted in the first two rounds. According to a Sports Illustrated study that goes back to when modern recruiting rankings started in 2002, that rate is about 30% higher than the average across the rest of college football."
"There are roughly 330 four-star recruits in each class, and in a given year they will make up a little less than 25% of the players drafted by the NFL, which is 80 players per a draft. The odds go down sharply for three-star recruits. There are about 1,800 three-stars every recruiting cycle, and only 5% of those 1,800 will be drafted"
"Currently, a four-star recruit who comes to UGA and finishes their career in Athens is about 2.5 times more likely to be drafted by the NFL then they are across the rest of the FBS. Three-stars who are recruited to Georgia and finish their career are five times more likely to make the NFL Draft."
That said, he evaluates well, recruits well, and develops well, so with one of the highest composite talent rosters in the nation, yes, he may have underperformed in terms of coaching success. But, he still has had enviable success by most measures. His history of SEC West arse kickings are most notable. But, Looking across the SEC this year, it is pretty much his best chance to pull it off. If not now, some will have to wonder if he can ever get it done.
This post was edited on 5/2/21 at 1:19 pm
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