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re: Does Kirby have one more mulligan or does he need to beat Saban next year?

Posted on 12/13/18 at 7:55 am to
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26184 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 7:55 am to
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But he will not stay at 11-12 for ever! Will lose 3 games or more some time again in the near future!


Not unless you and the rest of the division pick your shite up.
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
4207 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:05 am to
And both Kirby and Richt excelled at a time when Florida was in total chaos....

How did Richt once Florida hired Meyer???

I think Kirby is safe if he has similar seasons but just can’t beat Saban. However that seat gets hot real fast if Florida gets their stuff together and starts kicking UGa’a arse...

Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26184 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:06 am to
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. During Saban's era he never lost a game like Kirby did to LSU (20 pts) and he would never have done a fake on the 4th&11 play


Saban lost to ULM.

Kirby is still in his 3rd year as a head coach. Saban has been a HC for over 20 years. You can’t call that equivalent comparison.
Posted by armtackledawg
Member since Aug 2017
13550 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:11 am to
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And both Kirby and Richt excelled at a time when Florida was in total chaos.... How did Richt once Florida hired Meyer??? I think Kirby is safe if he has similar seasons but just can’t beat Saban. However that seat gets hot real fast if Florida gets their stuff together and starts kicking UGa’a arse...


What is the likelihood that Florida does that? Kirby is pulling in annual top 3 classes now, multiple 5 stars every year. That is going to be a tough hurdle for Mullen.
Posted by Jake_LaMotta
Coral Gables
Member since Sep 2017
5700 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:13 am to
Only the SEC East that Richt had his first 3 years was much tougher than the SEC East Kirby has had his first 3 years.

Richt is Kirby and Kirby is Richt. There is very little to no difference between the two. Year four is imperative for Kirby to separate himself from Richt.
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
4207 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:18 am to
I’m not saying Mullen is or is not capable of doing it...I just think that Kirby’s “hot seat” is more dependent on how he does against Florida than how he does against Saban.

In addition, Kirby has yet to experience the coordinator poaching that wining seems to bring...sure he lost Tucker but let’s see how he does with an entirely new staff...
Posted by UnderDog68
Thomasville, Ga.
Member since Sep 2017
2645 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:22 am to
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And both Kirby and Richt excelled at a time when Florida was in total chaos....


Richt had a losing record vs. Florida. They might have been in 'chaos', as you put it, but Richt still couldn't beat them very often. He even had a losing record vs. Ron Zook, for God's sake! Kirby is 2-1 vs. UF. The last UGA coach to have a winning record vs. UF at this point in his career?

Vince Dooley.
Posted by armtackledawg
Member since Aug 2017
13550 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:33 am to
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Year four is imperative for Kirby to separate himself from Richt.


No, it is not. Richt went 10-2 that year. And if by separate, you mean win the SEC and the national title, you are wrong as well.

How many years did it take Nick Saban to win a national title as a head coach?
Posted by BoozeDawg
ATLANNUH
Member since Sep 2018
1481 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:11 am to
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We kept Richt for 15 years, so what do you think?



THIS! END THREAD
Posted by Boomer00
Member since Sep 2015
3558 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:13 am to
Mizzou is winning the East next year so...
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
22947 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:25 am to
[quote]How did Richt once Florida hired Meyer??? I think Kirby is safe if he has similar seasons but just can’t beat Saban. However that seat gets hot real fast if Florida gets their stuff together and starts kicking UGa’a arse... [/quote]

Good point

Another thing to consider is Tennessee hadn't turned in to a complete dumpster fire yet during Richt's first 6 years.
Posted by FlatwoodsForester
Member since Jul 2012
2582 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:42 am to
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Only the SEC East that Richt had his first 3 years was much tougher than the SEC East Kirby has had his first 3 years.

Richt is Kirby and Kirby is Richt. There is very little to no difference between the two. Year four is imperative for Kirby to separate himself from Richt.



Since you like to compare coaching records for the first few years as an indicator of future achievements, how about you tell us how Saint Nick's first few years went.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27806 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:59 am to
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Kirby is already 1 game behind Richt at the same stage of his Georgia Career.


Beyond laughable.

Kirby had 5 losses his 1st year with one of the worst
Sr./recruiting classes in UGA history.
Posted by Jake_LaMotta
Coral Gables
Member since Sep 2017
5700 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:17 am to
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Since you like to compare coaching records for the first few years as an indicator of future achievements, how about you tell us how Saint Nick's first few years went.


Ok. Lets use Michigan State and Alabama. No reason to use his one year at Toledo (9-2) as it doesn't tell us anything. We are comparing Saban to the coaches he replaced (Just like we are comparing Richt to Kirby) so this is a True apples to apples comparison.

George Perles first 3 years:
4-6-1, 6-6, 7-5
17-17-1

Nick Saban first 3 years:
6-5-1, 6-6, 7-5
19-16-1

Mike Shula first 3 years:
4-9, 6-6, 10-2
20-17

Nick Saban first 3 years:
7-6, 12-2, 14-0
33-8
1 SEC Championship
1 National Championship

As you can see there is a distinct difference here unlike Richt and Kirby who are Twins with different haircuts. Neither could win a National Championship and both choked repeatedly in big games. Kirby absolutely must separate himself from Richt in year 4. That means Championship or bust. You fired Richt for the exact same things that Kirby has been doing (not winning a National Championship and choking in big games)
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 10:21 am
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
24722 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:23 am to
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You fired Richt for the exact same things that Kirby has been doing (not winning a National Championship and choking in big games


No we fired Richt for doing so 15 years into his HC career..we hadn’t won an SEC title in 10 years.

You really are dumb as frick for an old man.
Posted by NCDawg52
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2014
3151 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:23 am to
2019, 2020.

Has to win a national title in one or both of those years in order to keep the current momentum on track.
Posted by Jake_LaMotta
Coral Gables
Member since Sep 2017
5700 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:26 am to
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You really are dumb as frick for an old man.


Maybe. But I am not as dumb as Georgia fans who repeatedly try to ignore the parralel between the guy they fired (Richt) and the guy the hired to replace him (Kirby)

Like I said year 4 is going to be imperative for Kirby to prove he is indeed different than Richt. He can't keep choking games away or losing in championships.

Posted by weremoose
Member since Nov 2015
4486 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:30 am to
I'm curious to see what LSU fans think about this conversation. Shouldn't this thread be about ya'll?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
149480 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:31 am to
You start too many threads. I'd say you start too many dumb threads but that is obvious.

45 threads since 11/25/18

Slow down, skipper.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
24722 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:32 am to
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Maybe. But I am not as dumb as Georgia fans who repeatedly try to ignore the parralel between the guy they fired (Richt) and the guy the hired to replace him (Kirby)


No one is ignoring anything, tard. Mark Richt's first 3 years as a head coach and Kirby Smarts first 3 years as a head coach are incredibly similar. Both are much better than Nick Sabans first 3 years as a head coach (of course both had better players and school to coach at). You continue to ignore the fact that Mark Richt wasn't fired because of what he did his first 3/4/5 years. But instead for what did in years 13/14/15.



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Like I said year 4 is going to be imperative for Kirby to prove he is indeed different than Richt. He can't keep choking games away or losing in championships.


everyone has heard you a million times. Your opinion means shite, your talk is tiresome, you should just shut the frick up and go away. I'm sure that's not the first time someone has told you that, it's probably pretty common.
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