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re: Does Kirby have one more mulligan or does he need to beat Saban next year?

Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:12 am to
Posted by FlatwoodsForester
Member since Jul 2012
2569 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:12 am to
quote:

George Perles first 3 years:
4-6-1, 6-6, 7-5
17-17-1

Nick Saban first 3 years:
6-5-1, 6-6, 7-5
19-16-1


So what I see here is that Nick essentially performed almost exactly the same as his predecessor when he was a very young coach. Saban's Bama years can't be used. He was a seasoned head coach at that point. There is no comparison to what you're saying you fricking twat.


According to your argument, Nick should have been a bust.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 11:13 am
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:26 am to
quote:

He didn’t say tandems, don’t move the goal posts. He said two of the best SEC RBs ever



Pretty sure he meant tandem, and even if he didn't, you don't think they are two of the best all time? Mind you, he didn't say "the best". He said two of the best. They are both top 20 all time, I believe, so that probably qualifies. Why would you disagree with that?
Posted by Jake_LaMotta
Coral Gables
Member since Sep 2017
5700 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:45 am to
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Saban's Bama years can't be used. He was a seasoned head coach at that point. There is no comparison to what you're saying you fricking twat.



Dumb Georgia fan still doesn't understand this. He was performing better than the guy he replaced. Kirby isn't. He is at the same level as Richt at this point. You have to compare Apples to Apples you stupid redneck. So, yes there is actually a comparison.
Posted by Jake_LaMotta
Coral Gables
Member since Sep 2017
5700 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:49 am to
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You continue to ignore the fact that Mark Richt wasn't fired because of what he did his first 3/4/5 years. But instead for what did in years 13/14/15.


I am not ignoring that. We can't compare Kirby's first 3 seasons with Richt's last 3 seasons. It doesn't work that way. When Kirby's time comes we will then compare his last 3 with Richt's last 3. Until then we will have to use the data we have in the first 3 seasons which shows that there isn't one iota of difference between the two.

If you don't like that it isn't my problem. The numbers don't lie.
Posted by armtackledawg
Member since Aug 2017
11932 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:13 pm to
How many years was Saban a head coach before his team played in a national title game?

Just answer the question.
Posted by FlatwoodsForester
Member since Jul 2012
2569 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:32 pm to
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Just answer the question.


Don't expect that because it would ruin his narrative.
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21951 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:40 pm to
Kirby taking the Mack Brown approach - soon he will have amassed enough talent his coaching deficiencies won't matter
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32856 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 2:11 pm to
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And both Kirby and Richt excelled at a time when Florida was in total chaos....

How did Richt once Florida hired Meyer???

I think Kirby is safe if he has similar seasons but just can’t beat Saban. However that seat gets hot real fast if Florida gets their stuff together and starts kicking UGa’a arse...



Thankfully uf hasn’t been really good for most of the post spurrier era. Maybe that’s just who they are.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32856 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 2:12 pm to
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Only the SEC East that Richt had his first 3 years was much tougher than the SEC East Kirby has had his first 3 years.


Prove it
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32856 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 2:20 pm to
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You fired Richt for the exact same things that Kirby has been doing (not winning a National Championship and choking in big games)


No. What a terribly stupid point. Richt was awesome from 2002-2007. We fired him because of a massive drop off from 2008-15. You better hope uga doesn’t beat Texas as that will give Kirby a better back to back seasons than even awesome richt had.

quote:

We can't compare Kirby's first 3 seasons with Richt's last 3 seasons. It doesn't work that way.


Of course we can. That’s exactly how it works.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 2:23 pm
Posted by DaveyDownerDawg
2021 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
Member since Sep 2012
6619 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 2:26 pm to
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Georgia is about to have so much talent that it doesn't matter if Kirby is a good coach or not.



Ray Goff had Eric Zeier, Garrison Hearst, Andre Hastings, and a boatload of 4 and 5 stars and the best they did was 10-2.


So it does matter.....


Spurrier was right as much as it pains me to say.....

"Why is it that during recruiting season they sign all the great players, but when it comes time to play the game, we have all the great players? I don't understand that. What happens to them?" -- Spurrier on Georgia.


With that said, I believe Kirby is a good coach. He is young and is going to be a great coach.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 2:32 pm
Posted by Jake_LaMotta
Coral Gables
Member since Sep 2017
5700 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 2:34 pm to
Ray Goff exemplifies Georgia. A dumb hick redneck. Recruiting has never been Georgia's problem. Coaching has and they hired Mark Richt's Twin
Posted by DaveyDownerDawg
2021 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
Member since Sep 2012
6619 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 2:52 pm to
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Ray Goff exemplifies Georgia. A dumb hick redneck. Recruiting has never been Georgia's problem. Coaching has and they hired Mark Richt's Twin


You are the worst poster on here. You seriously add nothing constructive to the conversation on tRant.

Kirby is not Richt's twin. Stupid to say that. Lets's revisit this in year 5 or 6. I guarantee that a difference will be seen.

Most rational folks on here know that UGA is close to finally punching through the glass ceiling. I don't believe all the dynasty hype. I don't think anyone will ever do what Saban has achieved in our lifetime.

However, when Kirby retires he will have a Natty or two when it's said and done. You are a fool that knows absolutely zero about NCAA football if you don't see that.

So continue to get as much mileage out of the 1980 comments as you can because it's inevitably going to happen with UGA.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 2:56 pm
Posted by armtackledawg
Member since Aug 2017
11932 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 3:07 pm to
How many years was Saban a head coach before his team played in a national title game?

Just answer the question.
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 3:10 pm to
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You don't think Chubb and Michel were two of the greatest? the had the most yards for two teammates in a single year. I would say they were one of the greatest tamdems of all time.

I'm not sure it is even debatable considering production.


Agreed...just so long as you stick with the more general "one of the greatest tandems." McFadden and Jones still rule the roost.
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26174 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 3:16 pm to
quote:

You fired Richt for the exact same things that Kirby has been doing (not winning a National Championship and choking in big games)



We fired Richt for losing multiple games he was expected to win. Vanderbilt, GT, Kentucky, Florida (when they were down), etc...

Other than Kirby's first year, he's pretty well handled every inferior opponent he's faced, and in convincing fashion.
Posted by GruvenDawg
Member since Jul 2018
893 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 3:20 pm to
So I figured out why you keep this comparison going between Richt and Kirby.

Animals backed into a corner attack...You see what’s coming.

I hope you wake up every morning, look in the mirror and tell yourself there is no difference between Richt and Kirby. You respond “Right!” When you answer yourself.

Eventually your going to ask the question and your response will be, “Right??? “ It’s coming and that’s why your attacking right now. You also know Kirby’s not coming back to Bama when Nick retires and that pisses you off even more.

Keep telling yourself there is no difference between Richt and Kirby.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 3:32 pm
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32856 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

Coaching has and they hired Mark Richt's Twin



Only an idiot would not recognize this is a compliment as Early richt was a really good coach.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21873 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 3:45 pm to
quote:

Dumb Georgia fan still doesn't understand this. He was performing better than the guy he replaced. Kirby isn't. He is at the same level as Richt at this point. You have to compare Apples to Apples you stupid redneck. So, yes there is actually a comparison.


Technically Kirby is behind Richt. Georgia has played 2 more games under Kirby than under Richt and Kirby has 2 more losses.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32856 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 3:51 pm to
No one cares about year 1, the mulligan year totally dependent upon the previous coaches roster. Instead, lets focus on years 2 and 3:

Richt: 24-4
Smart: 24-4

Looks similar on the surface, but lets dig deeper and look at point differential for both seasons:

Richt: +406 = 14.50 per game
Smart: +553 = 19.75 per game

This shows that Kirby has been clearly better than one of the best coaches of the early-00's SEC, which is quite the compliment. Thanks loserman!
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