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re: Dixie is dead
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:19 pm to inelishaitrust
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:19 pm to inelishaitrust
Oh, yeah probably. I was just using Arkansas as a reference point. We dropped Dixie in 1969 during hippie protests and black students refusing to play it in the band, etc.
We used to use it just like Ole Miss, as a secondary fight song. Not in my lifetime, though.
We replaced it with this, which is my second favorite song the band plays..
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We used to use it just like Ole Miss, as a secondary fight song. Not in my lifetime, though.
We replaced it with this, which is my second favorite song the band plays..
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Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:22 pm to CNB
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Our past wasn't very dark which was the problem
There isn't a southern state that can say this.
Pretty sure he was making a joke.
Regardless, there isn't a state/nation/group of people that can say their past isn't dark.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:25 pm to GnashRebel
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I can literally not think of a single black person I knew in my time there that ever mentioned a problem with the song.
It probably bothers Ole Miss great C.J. Johnson.
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“It sickens me when I see [a Confederate flag] on people’s cars on campus. If you have the Confederate flag on your vehicle, you have a problem,” Johnson said. “And I don't care if it's socially what you believe in or it's morally what you believe in or you're just doing it for s---s and giggles. It's just the fact of what it stands for. It's almost like you might as well put a tag on the front of your car that says 'n-----.' That's really what it boils down to. You might as well just put a big tag on the front of your car or hang a big flag on the back of your car and just say the N-word.”
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:26 pm to TheCheshireHog
They'll go eventually. What am I supposed to do with my pairs of Ole Miss slacks and loafers? Maybe they'll do a buyback program
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:26 pm to Decker
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that can say their past isn't dark.
I see what you did there
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:27 pm to Decker
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Pretty sure he was making a joke.
That one went COMPLETELY over my head. I feel dumb now
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:28 pm to inelishaitrust
When all else fails, you can have an ole miss fan toss out a baseball with racist overtones about Katrina.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:29 pm to inelishaitrust
Hey, I understand southern pride. Always had it and it's only gotten stronger since I moved out of SC 3 years ago.
And I understand your meaning, that a lot of people assume having Southern pride necessarily means you must be a pro-slavery racist which just isn't the case. Sure we have a dark past, just like everyone else. There's a lot to be proud of.
Hell, I even like the song Dixie itself.
All I'm saying is the Confederacy split the nation in 2 and gave the United States one of its toughest and bloodiest wars in its history. I'm not here to debate why the states seceded, I'm just saying its quite a paradox to play the national anthems of the US and of the entity that gave it that aforementioned war.
Eta: Hell, I'd argue outside of the Soviet Union the CSA was the last true existential threat to the United States, but that's a different debate entirely.
And I understand your meaning, that a lot of people assume having Southern pride necessarily means you must be a pro-slavery racist which just isn't the case. Sure we have a dark past, just like everyone else. There's a lot to be proud of.
Hell, I even like the song Dixie itself.
All I'm saying is the Confederacy split the nation in 2 and gave the United States one of its toughest and bloodiest wars in its history. I'm not here to debate why the states seceded, I'm just saying its quite a paradox to play the national anthems of the US and of the entity that gave it that aforementioned war.
Eta: Hell, I'd argue outside of the Soviet Union the CSA was the last true existential threat to the United States, but that's a different debate entirely.
This post was edited on 8/19/16 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:32 pm to inelishaitrust
I like CJ Johnson as a player. I don't think it is anymore appropriate to make judgements about people without knowing anything about them than it is for people to do the same toward him.
I will say this. I did know a lot of students who waved/wore/displayed the rebel flag enjoying the reaction it got from people. The song has been popular north and south before the Civil War and after the Civil War. It is unfortunate that it got dragged into the muck by a bunch of dickheads.
I never owned anything with the flag on it other than a toy General Lee as a child.
I will say this. I did know a lot of students who waved/wore/displayed the rebel flag enjoying the reaction it got from people. The song has been popular north and south before the Civil War and after the Civil War. It is unfortunate that it got dragged into the muck by a bunch of dickheads.
I never owned anything with the flag on it other than a toy General Lee as a child.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:33 pm to inelishaitrust
I don't think anyone disagrees about the confederate flag and it's continued association with white supremacist groups. FDWL is a mixture of both the battle hymn of the republic(a union song) and dixie. It is an objectively beautiful song that holds a place in my heart that has nothing to do with color or background. Comparing the two is disingenuous.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:34 pm to DMagic
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FDWL is a mixture of both the battle hymn of the republic(a union song) and dixie. It is an objectively beautiful song that holds a place in my heart that has nothing to do with color or background.
I completely agree.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:35 pm to DMagic
There was nothing wrong with FDWL. It was just the students shouting TSWRA. Dixie was the battle hymn of the confederacy. Not very hard to find something wrong there.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:36 pm to Winston Cup
The REAL Dixie Carter. A classy southern lady. Unfortunately, she is dead.
That wrestler chick needs to find a new name.
That wrestler chick needs to find a new name.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:37 pm to GnashRebel
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This is PR
If by PR you mean recruiting, then yeah, it's PR
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:38 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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TbirdSpur2010
As one of the more well grounded posters whose perspective I've come to really appreciate particularly on issues where there's a racial component, I'm curious how you'd feel if they played Elvis' American Trilogy?
IMO, that song could make everybody happy by maintaining a hint of tradition without the racist overtones of straight out Dixie.
And did I mention that it's an awesome song that's a blast to play if you're in the brass section?
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:39 pm to GetCocky11
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I was lucky enough to see this in 2008 when I was in Oxford for the South Carolina game.
It was pretty cool
I was in the Ole Miss band in the early 2000's and just thinking about when we played this in the Grove, during pregame and at the end of every game, win or lose, is and awesome memory that I will never forget. FDWL will always be my favorite song from my time in the band. Too bad people had to ruin that.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:39 pm to Whereisomaha
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It was just the students shouting TSWRA. Dixie was the battle hymn of the confederacy. Not very hard to find something wrong there.
Dixie was written by someone from Ohio who said he got it from a black guy. Irony, right?
I also blame the students and fans, particularly the older ones. Like my friends dad who referred to it as the National Anthem. Their insistence on daring the administration to do something about the flag helped set all of this in motion.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:41 pm to Whereisomaha
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There was nothing wrong with FDWL. It was just the students shouting TSWRA. Dixie was the battle hymn of the confederacy. Not very hard to find something wrong there.
Yeah that was kind of my point bro. I'm not defending the flag or the confederacy.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:41 pm to Whereisomaha
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If by PR you mean recruiting, then yeah, it's PR
I think it goes beyond recruiting. Ole Miss learned a while back that its future was well beyond the confines of Mississippi and I think they are doing what they think they think they need to do.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:41 pm to inelishaitrust
The Lyrics (kinda funny in reality)...
Oh, I wish I was in the land of cotton,
Old times there are not forgotten, (Alt Original: Cinnamon seed and sandy bottom,)
Look away, look away, look away Dixie Land.
In Dixie Land, where I was born in,
early on one frosty mornin',
Look away, look away, look away Dixie Land.
I wish I was in Dixie, Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie Land I'll take my stand
to live and die in Dixie.
Away, away, away down south in Dixie.
Away, away, away down south in Dixie
Optional Verses
Ole Missus marry "Will the weaver"
Willum was a gay deceiver
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Dixie Land
But when he put his arm around 'er,
He smiled fierce as a forty pounder,
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Dixie Land
His face was sharp as a butcher's cleaver
But that did not seem to grieve 'er
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Dixie Land
Ole Missus acted the foolish part
And died for a man that broke her heart
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Dixie Land
Now here's a health to the next ole Missus
An' all the gals that want to kiss us;
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Dixie Land
But if you want to drive 'way sorrow
Come and hear this song tomorrow
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Dixie Land
There's buckwheat cakes and Injun batter,
Makes you fat or a little fatter
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Dixie Land
Then hoe it down and scratch your gravel,
To Dixie's Land I'm bound to travel,
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Dixie Land
Oh, I wish I was in the land of cotton,
Old times there are not forgotten, (Alt Original: Cinnamon seed and sandy bottom,)
Look away, look away, look away Dixie Land.
In Dixie Land, where I was born in,
early on one frosty mornin',
Look away, look away, look away Dixie Land.
I wish I was in Dixie, Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie Land I'll take my stand
to live and die in Dixie.
Away, away, away down south in Dixie.
Away, away, away down south in Dixie
Optional Verses
Ole Missus marry "Will the weaver"
Willum was a gay deceiver
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Dixie Land
But when he put his arm around 'er,
He smiled fierce as a forty pounder,
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Dixie Land
His face was sharp as a butcher's cleaver
But that did not seem to grieve 'er
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Dixie Land
Ole Missus acted the foolish part
And died for a man that broke her heart
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Dixie Land
Now here's a health to the next ole Missus
An' all the gals that want to kiss us;
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Dixie Land
But if you want to drive 'way sorrow
Come and hear this song tomorrow
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Dixie Land
There's buckwheat cakes and Injun batter,
Makes you fat or a little fatter
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Dixie Land
Then hoe it down and scratch your gravel,
To Dixie's Land I'm bound to travel,
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Dixie Land
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