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re: Discussion: does Dan Mullen recruit well enough for Florida to get where they want to be
Posted on 5/10/20 at 6:56 am to Mithridates6
Posted on 5/10/20 at 6:56 am to Mithridates6
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What was his game plan against South Alabama?
Not realizing he had the worst DC to ever grace a college football field. Kind of like O not realizing what he had as OC against Troy.
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Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:33 am to djsdawg
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And Mullen learned from slimy Meyer. He knows how to play the bag game. Learned from a master of it.
Why don't you check the coaching trees of Saban and Meyer and see who the coaches are that people consider good recruiters. You think Fisher and Smart are landing top classes because of their charming personalities? You think Pruitt is just outworking everyone? You must believe in the tooth fairy.
You need to talk to your buddy who thinks Spurrier was a good recruiter. He is crazier than you.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:10 am to bigDgator
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You need to talk to your buddy who thinks Spurrier was a good recruiter. He is crazier than you.
Spurrier only "tried hard" in recruiting in 1999 and 2000, which created the 2nd most talented UF team in 2001 (after 2008).
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:19 am to boXerrumble
Spurrier never tried hard in recruiting. What did he decide to go to a couple of high school games or something?
He didn't even want to recruit Grossman. Grossman's dad had to persist and come down to Florida and basically beg for an audience with Spurrier.
You guys are crazy. Spurrier hated recruiting. At least at Florida he did. I don't know what he did at Carolina, but I heard he actually started trying a little.
He didn't even want to recruit Grossman. Grossman's dad had to persist and come down to Florida and basically beg for an audience with Spurrier.
You guys are crazy. Spurrier hated recruiting. At least at Florida he did. I don't know what he did at Carolina, but I heard he actually started trying a little.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:27 am to boXerrumble
This was his original statement and it was
patently false
And I pointed out that Spurrier,Zook and Muschamp all pulled elite/top 3 classes
Interesting because it looks like he did just fine in the mid 90's
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Had a #2,#3 and #5 class in these years.
So yes,he was a "good recruiter" and the only SEC team that out recruited Spurrier during his time at UF was UT and Fulmer
patently false
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we have never been able to recruit outside of cheating Charley Pell and slimy Urban Meyer.
And I pointed out that Spurrier,Zook and Muschamp all pulled elite/top 3 classes
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Spurrier only "tried hard" in recruiting in 1999 and 2000, which created the 2nd most talented UF team in 2001
Interesting because it looks like he did just fine in the mid 90's
LINK
Had a #2,#3 and #5 class in these years.
So yes,he was a "good recruiter" and the only SEC team that out recruited Spurrier during his time at UF was UT and Fulmer
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:36 am to bigDgator
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You need to talk to your buddy who thinks Spurrier was a good recruiter. He is crazier than you.
Once again,I'll point out your statement:
[quote]we have never been able to recruit outside of cheating Charley Pell and slimy Urban Meyer.
This isn't remotely true and I simply pointed out SEVERAL elite classes that
Spurrier,Muschamp and Zook pulled in including two #1's.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:44 am to RD Dawg
OK so in 12 years of running roughshod over the SEC, those were Spurrier's top classes? Why don't you throw up Saban and Kirby's top classes? Why not just post all their classes.
Now remember Spurrier won 8 Eastern division titles, 6 SEC championships, 1 natty and 1 runner up natty. The only reason he had top 5 classes was because players wanted to go to Florida, he didn't recruit them.
You guys are fricking whacked out of your minds.
Spurrier had a reputation that was well earned as a guy who spent the off season on the golf course. His philosophy was if you want to play for Florida fine, if you don't that's fine too.
Now remember Spurrier won 8 Eastern division titles, 6 SEC championships, 1 natty and 1 runner up natty. The only reason he had top 5 classes was because players wanted to go to Florida, he didn't recruit them.
You guys are fricking whacked out of your minds.
Spurrier had a reputation that was well earned as a guy who spent the off season on the golf course. His philosophy was if you want to play for Florida fine, if you don't that's fine too.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:10 am to bigDgator
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OK so in 12 years of running roughshod over the SEC, those were Spurrier's top classes?
What? He pulled an elite class in '99 and the #1 class in 2000. Geez dude,you made a stupid statement.Just own it and move on
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Why don't you throw up Saban and Kirby's top classes?
I was pointing out UF's classes because of
YOUR statement about UF "never recruiting"
outside of Pell and Meyer.
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Now remember Spurrier won 8 Eastern division titles, 6 SEC championships, 1 natty and 1 runner up natty. The only reason he had top 5 classes was because players wanted to go to Florida, he didn't recruit them.
WGAS how he landed top classes? Fact is he did...geez
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You guys are fricking whacked out of your minds.
About what? UF "never recruiting"outside of Pell and Meyer? It was an Unbelievably stupid statement and you've yet to acknowledge how dumb it was.
You seemed to be focused COMPLETELY on Spurrier with this discussion.What about the top classes pulled in by Zook and Muschamp?
How were they able to do it and Mullen can't.
I'll be more than happy to compare Muschamp's first 3 years vs Kirby.I would bet their national ranking average was almost the same.
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Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:17 am to bigDgator
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Florida isn’t paying or we would have the number one class more times than not. I know you want this to be true, but it is not.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:31 am to WG_Dawg
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Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:45 am to logjamming
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I don’t think he’ll ever win an SEC championship.
You may be right. Lots of people also said that about Orgeron as well just this last off-season. I guess we will see.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:46 am to logjamming
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Mac went to back-to-back sec title games with a dumpsterfire QB situation inherited from Boom.
With a uga not even close to what it is now. And as you alluded to, they didn't come anywhere close to winning. So again if winning the sec is their goal, then no they are not recruiting nearly well enough.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:46 am to sand mountainDvalues
Tennessee fans...lol
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:53 am to bigDgator
This debate has become pretty circular and pointless
I think we can recognize that Mullen isn't recruiting as well as he could. The only recent UF coach he's out-recruiting is Mac. Zook, Meyer, and Muschamp all recruited very well.
Now, I do think that Mullen's recruiting might be good enough to get us over the hump in years where we have a solid base of experience plus a good QB. I think we may have that this season
So, no, I don't think Mullen is building up UF to be the next Bama, but I think he has a solid floor -- I can't see us ever really going below 8 wins, even in rebuilding years, as our schedule is constructed. And I think every once in awhile he'll contend for or win a title.
2020 (if a season is played) will be telling, as I think this is the first season in awhile that we genuinely have realistic title aspirations.
I think we can recognize that Mullen isn't recruiting as well as he could. The only recent UF coach he's out-recruiting is Mac. Zook, Meyer, and Muschamp all recruited very well.
Now, I do think that Mullen's recruiting might be good enough to get us over the hump in years where we have a solid base of experience plus a good QB. I think we may have that this season
So, no, I don't think Mullen is building up UF to be the next Bama, but I think he has a solid floor -- I can't see us ever really going below 8 wins, even in rebuilding years, as our schedule is constructed. And I think every once in awhile he'll contend for or win a title.
2020 (if a season is played) will be telling, as I think this is the first season in awhile that we genuinely have realistic title aspirations.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:54 am to WG_Dawg
quote:We led LSU deep in the third quarter, at night, in Tiger Stadium
With a uga not even close to what it is now. And as you alluded to, they didn't come anywhere close to winning. So again if winning the sec is their goal, then no they are not recruiting nearly well enough.
We're not far away regardless of how people feel about our recruiting.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:56 am to bigDgator
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Why don't you check the coaching trees of Saban and Meyer and see who the coaches are that people consider good recruiters. You think Fisher and Smart are landing top classes because of their charming personalities? You think Pruitt is just outworking everyone? You must believe in the tooth fairy.
That urban tree currently has the #1 class in the nation and may end up the best class ever.
Mullen knows those same exact tactics and employs them. He learned from a master. He just has a personality and or work ethic problem.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:00 am to GatorsGators
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I think we can recognize that Mullen isn't recruiting as well as he could. The only recent UF coach he's out-recruiting is Mac. Zook, Meyer, and Muschamp all recruited very well.
Now, I do think that Mullen's recruiting might be good enough to get us over the hump in years where we have a solid base of experience plus a good QB. I think we may have that this season
He may not be a naturally gifted recruiter and of all those coaches, he will probably benefit the most from a new football facility.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:08 am to bgator85
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he will probably benefit the most from a new football facility.
I wouldn't doubt it. Facilities certainly
help.
It certainly makes a difference.UGA was lagging in facilities AND support staff pre Kirby (last SEC school with an IPF and last of the big 6 to invest in support staff)
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:13 am to sand mountainDvalues
I think UF will be better than UT, but that won’t be sayin’ much.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:25 am to djsdawg
How in the frick did I get myself in an argument with you about recruiting? Please disregard all my previous statements because I am clearly a complete dumb arse for wasting this much time arguing with you. 
You still need to drink those beers I was talking about. I worry about your stress level.
You still need to drink those beers I was talking about. I worry about your stress level.
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