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Counterpoint - Scheduling (and winning) tough OOC games
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:28 pm
The real reason why Alabama is not in the playoffs is because they went 3-2 vs. the five teams on their schedule who finished with a .500 or below record.
Considering that both of those loses were in conference, would not a strong OOC win or two have helped to offset one or both?
Considering that both of those loses were in conference, would not a strong OOC win or two have helped to offset one or both?
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:28 pm to lsusa
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would not a strong OOC win or two have helped to offset one or both
No, next question. Nobody gave a shite about wins. Tacking on a win over 9-3 Illinois instead of 5-7 Wisconsin would have done absolutely zero. They cared about losses.
Don't lose to two 6-6 teams.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:31 pm to lsusa
I don't even think SOS was really a factor this year. It was all about records.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:34 pm to lsusa
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Considering that both of those loses were in conference, would not a strong OOC win or two have helped to offset one or both?
You guys are stupid. It isn't Alabama's schedule that is the issue. It is the teams that beat no one with a pulse getting in.
Let's play a game. What are these teams record with Indiana's schedule?
A&M
Mizzou
Auburn
Florida
Indiana's Schedule:
UCLA 5-7
Maryland= 4-8
NU= 4-8
Neb= 6-6
Wash= 6-6
MSU= 3-6
Mich= 7-5
Purdue= 1-11
FIU= 4-8
Western Illinois= 4-8
Charlotte= 5-7
So logically, the SEC teams get no benefit for playing a much harder schedule than these teams. playing harder games in OOC is stupid because you already have plenty of chances to lose in conference and are punished for it. Why add more when the committee doesn't care about SOS?
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:36 pm to Quicksilver
The problem is the Big 10 is weak af but they get credit for being as good as the SEC or better.
Illinois is gonna get butt fricked by USCe. They're trash
Illinois is gonna get butt fricked by USCe. They're trash
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:39 pm to HottyToddy7
Half of the teams in the SEC would have gone 10-2 or better with Indiana’s schedule and been in the playoff.
Same with SMU’s schedule.
No, it is clear that this committee did not value strength of schedule. Instead they looked solely at wins/losses.
Same with SMU’s schedule.
No, it is clear that this committee did not value strength of schedule. Instead they looked solely at wins/losses.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:50 pm to HottyToddy7
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Indiana's Schedule: UCLA 5-7 Maryland= 4-8 NU= 4-8 Neb= 6-6 Wash= 6-6 MSU= 3-6 Mich= 7-5 Purdue= 1-11 FIU= 4-8 Western Illinois= 4-8 Charlotte= 5-7 So logically, the SEC teams get no benefit for playing a much harder schedule than these teams
So by my count, Indiana was 10-0 vs teams with a .500 record or worse
Alabama was 3-2 vs teams at .500 or below.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:11 pm to lsusa
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Considering that both of those loses were in conference, would not a strong OOC win or two have helped to offset one or both?
Alabama scheduled to play at Wisconsin all the way back in 2019. Wisconsin was coming off of a season where they had just finished 2nd in the Big-10 West and a bowl win over Miami. Here were Wisconsin's records in the seasons leading up to Bama scheduling them (in July 2019).
2018 - 8-5
2017 - 13-1
2016 - 11-3
2015 - 10-3
2014 - 11-3
That is a combined record of 53-15 over a 5 year period. When they scheduled the game...Wisconsin would have been considered a "strong" OOC opponent. Bama can't help that Wisconsin is 42-30 since they scheduled the game.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:43 pm to madmaxvol
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Alabama scheduled to play at Wisconsin all the way back in 2019. Wisconsin was coming off of a season where they had just finished 2nd in the Big-10 West and a bowl win over Miami. Here were Wisconsin's records in the seasons leading up to Bama scheduling them (in July 2019). 2018 - 8-5 2017 - 13-1 2016 - 11-3 2015 - 10-3 2014 - 11-3 That is a combined record of 53-15 over a 5 year period. When they scheduled the game...Wisconsin would have been considered a "strong" OOC opponent. Bama can't help that Wisconsin is 42-30 since they scheduled the game.
I agree, and I’m not blaming Bama. They tried to schedule what at the time looked like a good OOC game.
But, based on the Bama AD’s argument, let’s say that before the season they replaced
Wisconsin with Southern Miss, who was projected to finish at the bottom of the Sun Belt and in fact did.
Would playing Southern Miss instead of Wisconsin have helped them to beat Oklahoma and Vandy???
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:49 pm to Quicksilver
quote:SoS was definitely a factor.
I don't even think SOS was really a factor this year. It was all about records.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:09 pm to HottyToddy7
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What are these teams record with Indiana's schedule?
Auburn might be bowl eligible with Indiana’s schedule
Mizzou would probably slip up and lose one of those
A&M might win 9 because they always blow some games among other things
Florida would have 9-10 wins, maybe 11 assuming the quarterbacks stayed healthy
Also, you left off Ohio St, but I was basing these wins off of the schedule presented
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:09 pm to lsusa
We beat clemson at clemson and it meant nothing
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:12 pm to lsusa
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Alabama was 3-2 vs teams at .500 or below.
To no surprise of anyone, you’ve completely missed the point. Those .500 teams Alabama lost to, would probably be 9 or 10 win teams with Indiana’s schedule. I’d say Vandy and Oklahoma are better than anyone Indiana played with the exception of Ohio St
Edit: Michigan and Washington would both be toss up games at neutral sights as well
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:15 pm to lsusa
quote:No, but think Bama doesn’t go 11-1 with Indiana’s schedule? Possibly 12-0? Heck Vandy would probably be no worse than 9-3 against it.
Would playing Southern Miss instead of Wisconsin have helped them to beat Oklahoma and Vandy???
What gets lost is the schedule and why a ridiculously hard schedule matters.
Bama beats Georgia, loses at Vandy next week. Think Bama is drained?
Win over #14 South Carolina, loss at the #7 stinking Vols, next games are #20 Missouri, at LSU, Mercer, at Oklahoma. 3rd hard away game in 5 weeks after 7 games playing teams whose worst record was 8-4 LSU.
Indiana’s toughest 3 game stretch?
At 5-7 Michigan State
7-5 Michigan
At #6 Ohio State after a bye
Followed by 1-11 Purdue
It should be noted that 3 game stretch for Indiana included the only 2 teams they played with a winning record.
Thats how bad their schedule was.
That Georgia only lost 2 with their schedule is a testament to how good they are. Both should be noted were road losses.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:16 pm to lsusa
How can people not understand the argument about tough OOC games, if Clemson plays two directional schools instead of georgia and south carolina they would have enjoyed up with a playoff bye .
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:18 pm to lsusa
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But, based on the Bama AD’s argument, let’s say that before the season they replaced Wisconsin with Southern Miss, who was projected to finish at the bottom of the Sun Belt and in fact did. Would playing Southern Miss instead of Wisconsin have helped them to beat Oklahoma and Vandy???
O said the same thing. But I think the point is if the committee is only going to respect number of wins why set yourself up for failure. It had no effect on Bama this year but they go home and home with Ohio state starting in 2027. They have Wisconsin at home and Agassi on road for next year. Now I know they weren’t good teams this year but who knows what they’ll be next year. Now you go to Georgia, To SC and to Auburn next year. At home you’ll get LSU, Oklahoma and I can’t remember if we’re on the road at Missouri or if they’re coming here. If FLA ST turns it around and you have to think Finkle wil get Wisconsin right that’s a tough row to hoe when the ultimate goal is get to the playoffs and give yourself a chance.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:22 pm to lsusa
quote:Vandy and Oklahoma would be 8-9 win teams if they played Indiana’s schedule. Hell, LSU could easily be 11-1 with the only possible loss to OSU if LSU had the luxury of navigating Indiana’s slate.
Alabama was 3-2 vs teams at .500 or below.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:27 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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No, next question. Nobody gave a shite about wins. Tacking on a win over 9-3 Illinois instead of 5-7 Wisconsin would have done absolutely zero. They cared about losses.
Don't lose to two 6-6 teams.
This is what makes it so funny. Alabama fans and podcasters, etc. etc. are acting as if everyone should stop scheduling tough OOC schedules as if they just played one.
Locked on Bama dude's points:
Wisconsin is a tough road game. (They were 5-7 this year and their QB got injured early in the game)
OU is a historically great program. (So is FSU, what does that have to do with 2024? Committee should just be like, "It's OU, they're bad this year but...BOOMER SOONER!")
We should just stop scheduling these cool games for ESPN like Clemson/Georgia, Michigan/Texas, Alabama/Wisconsin.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:33 pm to RT1941
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Vandy and Oklahoma would be 8-9 win teams if they played Indiana’s schedule. Hell, LSU could easily be 11-1 with the only possible loss to OSU if LSU had the luxury of navigating Indiana’s slate.
This really doesn't help. I doubt that's the case. Vandy lost to Georgia State. Vandy was better as the QB gave them some offense, but if you look closer they won a lot of games because of mistakes by the other team. When their opponents played clean, they didn't win.
But the debate was never Indiana. If the problem is Indiana played no one but OSU and when they did they got their arse kicked, many teams still can say they should've gotten in over that. That includes Miami, S. Carolina, BYU and Ole Miss.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:37 pm to koreandawg
So if georgia had lost to clemson or ga tech this year and missed the playoffs to a team like Indiana or smu you wouldn't be pissed ??
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