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re: Comparing Kirby Smart and Mark Richt at similar points in their tenure at Georgia
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:40 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:40 am to RollTide1987
Lol the loss to Bama makes Kirby 9-5 against top 10 teams. From 2008-2015 Richt was 14-21 against the Top 25.
Saban didn’t win 10 games in a season until his 8th year as head coach at 50 years old. He didn’t win a national title until his 10th season as a head coach at 52 years old. Kirby is 44 lol and in his 5th season. Idk if this is a troll or you’re just stupid haha but you fooled me either way
Saban didn’t win 10 games in a season until his 8th year as head coach at 50 years old. He didn’t win a national title until his 10th season as a head coach at 52 years old. Kirby is 44 lol and in his 5th season. Idk if this is a troll or you’re just stupid haha but you fooled me either way
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Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:40 am to sand mountainDvalues
My first response was simply how stupid the comparison was... 
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:47 am to djsdawg
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As good as Richt had UGA early on, Smart has UGA in a better place.
The thing about Richt was his QBs and how he ran his offense through them. David Green, DJ Shockley, Matthew Stafford, and Aaron Murray were high octane QBs that Richt got a lot of mileage out of. I believe the 2012 dawgs were still the most complete team Alabama has played during the Nick Saban era.
Kirby doesn't have much for excuses with his last 5 seasons in Athens. When coach Saban took over it was a lot of JP Wilson, Greg McElroy leading the charge. The rest of the SEC saw the handwriting on the wall, including Florida. The Dawgs don't present that image for me.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:52 am to RollTide1987
The bottom line is Kirby is an elite recruiter, and a mediocre coach. He's in year 5 at UGA and literally has one of, if not the most talented roster in CFB. When you have more talent than literally every team you play--save 1 or 2 teams with equal talent--you're going to win 11 or 12 games a year but never get over the hump.
He's a bad gameday coach. He doesn't make good adjustments at the half (see last 3 games vs. Alabama). He panics and makes dumb calls (Fields fake punt). He almost always has a WTF game and loses to an inferior team most years. He is what he is. An elite recruiter, and a mediocre gameday coach. UGA fans will have to decide if that's good enough, because that's what they have in Kirby for better or worse.
He's a bad gameday coach. He doesn't make good adjustments at the half (see last 3 games vs. Alabama). He panics and makes dumb calls (Fields fake punt). He almost always has a WTF game and loses to an inferior team most years. He is what he is. An elite recruiter, and a mediocre gameday coach. UGA fans will have to decide if that's good enough, because that's what they have in Kirby for better or worse.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:53 am to bamameister
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Kirby doesn't have much for excuses with his last 5 seasons in Athens
Excuses for what?
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:58 am to TheJimBrown7
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Lol the loss to Bama makes Kirby 9-5 against top 10 teams. From 2008-2015 Richt was 14-21 against the Top 25.
What was Richt's record against top 10 teams his first 5 years in Athens?
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Saban didn’t win 10 games in a season until his 8th year as head coach at 50 years old. He didn’t win a national title until his 10th season as a head coach at 52 years old. Kirby is 44 lol and in his 5th season. Idk if this is a troll or you’re just stupid haha but you fooled me either way
Comparing Nick's start in the HC world at To-freakin'-ledo and a sanctions ravaged MSU program, to Kirby getting handed the keys in Athens with a top 10 roster, incredible facilities in one of the most talent rich states would be like comparing me beating you in a street race with a brand new ferrari, while you were in an '82 Civic. It's just a piss poor argument. Put Saban in Athens the last 5 years with all the advantages Kirby has there, and Saban has multiple titles by now.
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 10:59 am
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:02 am to tider04
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He doesn't make good adjustments at the half (see last 3 games vs. Alabama
Lol it’s pretty safe to say no one plays Alabama well in the 2nd half. Kirby actually is great at half time adjustments. He’s something like 39-3 when leading at half and all of those losses are to Saban. The greatest coach of all time haha. Kirby has massive flaws as head coach still but he’s still only 5 years in. At this point in Saban’s career he was averaging 8-4 seasons so I’m not sold on Kirby’s ceiling just yet.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:05 am to TheJimBrown7
Similar record but Kirby can beat Florida unlike Richt. Dawgs will take that any day of the week.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:09 am to TheJimBrown7
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At this point in Saban’s career he was averaging 8-4 seasons so I’m not sold on Kirby’s ceiling just yet.
Saban had to actually work his way up HC ladder. Toledo, then a crippled and sanctioned middle of the pack Big 10 program, and finally a really really bad LSU program that he rebuilt from the ground up. Meanwhile Kirby's first job he gets handed the keys to a top 5 program with plenty of talent, elite facilities and in a talent rich state. Apples and oranges. Saban has won 6 natties at two programs that were in shambles. He never got the type of head start Kirby did in Athens, and Smart still hasn't capitalized 5 years in. Keep whistling past the graveyard if you must...
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 11:11 am
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:12 am to tider04
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Comparing Nick's start in the HC world at To-freakin'-ledo and a sanctions ravaged MSU program,
Lol who’s comparing? Winning 10 games at smaller programs is a sign of great coaches. Urban Meyer did it at fricking Bowling Green. My point is Kirby is in year 5, there’s this thing called growth and experience that people in all professions do — it might not be unfathomable to consider Kirby gets better as a head coach?
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Put Saban in Athens the last 5 years with all the advantages Kirby has there, and Saban has multiple titles by now.
Yes, the greatest coach of all time who’s won national titles at 2 different SEC schools succeeds at another big SEC school??? My god what an analysis. What a fricking genius this guy is lol.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:13 am to SM1010
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Similar record but Kirby
Made it to a natty and Richt did not.
/thread
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 11:14 am
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:25 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Excuses for what?
For not being as good as his recruiting sheet says he is. He's doing less with more.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:33 am to bamameister
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For not being as good as his recruiting sheet says he is. He's doing less with more.
God forbid we let those classes actually grow in his system first. He just now has all of his players as upperclassmen. And he's finishing top 5 with top 1-3 classes. Stop overreacting like a woman on this.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:41 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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God forbid we let those classes actually grow in his system first. He just now has all of his players as upperclassmen. And he's finishing top 5 with top 1-3 classes. Stop overreacting like a woman on this.
Then you're not paying attention. Kirby's best team was slam full of Mark Richt's skilled players. That's the group we met in 2017 for the natty. These days, I see a lot of beef on the hoof but nowhere near the skill level of that '17 team.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:01 pm to RollTide1987
Is this meant to be a negative comment about Smart? Both coaches had/have been wildly successful at this point, especially considering it was/is their first head coaching job.
Hopefully Smart doesn’t drop off like Richt did.
Hopefully Smart doesn’t drop off like Richt did.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:12 pm to bamameister
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Then you're not paying attention. Kirby's best team was slam full of Mark Richt's skilled players. That's the group we met in 2017 for the natty. These days, I see a lot of beef on the hoof but nowhere near the skill level of that '17 team.
And you're clearly acting like you know more about UGA and Kirby than you actually do since it's been explained numerous times how flawed the classes were that followed. That 2017 had studs and great leadership. Richt's classes that were Kirby's upperclassmen after that were duds and they are just now getting to be replaced with upperclassmen who are recruited by Kirby.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:29 pm to atlanta917
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Similar record but Kirby
Made it to a natty and Richt did not.
/thread
While true, maybe I give Richt more credit for 2012. They were one play away from a national championship and would have boat raced Notre Dame pretty much as Alabama did. That was a damn good team.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:30 pm to bamameister
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nowhere near the skill level of that '17 team.
That team was better at RB and maybe WR. That’s it. Worse everywhere else.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:33 pm to TheJimBrown7
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Saban didn’t win 10 games in a season until his 8th year as head coach at 50 years old. He didn’t win a national title until his 10th season as a head coach at 52 years old. Kirby is 44 lol and in his 5th season. Idk if this is a troll or you’re just stupid haha but you fooled me either way
You are 100% ignoring where Saban started his coaching career and where Smart started his. Saban's first coaching gig was Toledo, followed by a sanction-ravaged Michigan State after his stint with the Browns. He actually had to build a program at both LSU and Alabama vis Kirby Smart being handed the keys to a Ferrari at Georgia.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:38 pm to TheJimBrown7
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Winning 10 games at smaller programs is a sign of great coaches. Urban Meyer did it at fricking Bowling Green.
No he didn't. He finished 8-3 and 9-3 at Bowling Green before moving on to Utah. Nick Saban was 9-2 at Toledo before taking a job as the DC of the Cleveland Browns.
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