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re: commotio cordis

Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:34 pm to
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:34 pm to
Usually VFIB requires an AED to shock heart back into rhythm if I’m remembering my schooling correctly.
Posted by Mfdtiger
Deatsville, Alabama
Member since Oct 2010
792 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:44 pm to
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Would he have a pulse but have no spontaneous respiration?


Yes if they defibrillated him in time and/or gave approximate meds then he can certainly regain a pulse. He may not immediately breath on his own depending on how long he was without oxygen, but also if the intubated his respirations would be supported and he would likely be sedated if any signs of consciousness reappeared.
Posted by Mfdtiger
Deatsville, Alabama
Member since Oct 2010
792 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:46 pm to
It can, but sometimes it takes time for spontaneous respirations to return even if the rhythm is normal.
Posted by Rebbedup
Member since Jun 2021
3578 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:55 pm to
I sent the wiki page to my wife. This seems to make sense with what happened. Just terrible.
Posted by Jeb Busch Lite
Member since Apr 2016
2448 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:33 pm to
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also programmed pacemakers and defibrillators for a decade.


My job now
Posted by cmayes56
Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
2953 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:33 pm to
Witnessed it in practice in 1979 as a player in High School.

My teammate passed away that day. We didn’t know he was gone until after practice. Yes, you read that right.

After the ambulance drove away, we continued to practice. Nobody really realized how serious it was
Posted by ChiGator
Member since Nov 2020
3781 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:38 pm to
Seems perfectly reasonable but I think I’m going to go with the hillbillies over on politics that already assumed it was from the Vax.
Posted by Emmanuel Goldstein
Member since Jul 2021
1923 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 11:38 pm to
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If he has a heartbeat but is not breathing on his own, does that mean the damage is in his brain? That seems obvious, but I genuinely don’t know.


Not necessarily. It is extremely common with cardiac arrest to start intubation and introduce hypothermia using chilled fluids and/or cooling blankets. This has been shown to improve outcomes.

Just saying he isn't breathing on his own doesn't mean much since intubation is pretty much standard op.
Posted by GreatPumpkin
Member since Mar 2022
2441 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 12:09 am to
I think you are correct. Hopefully we can build better shoulder pads in the future to prevent this
Posted by Sweet Pickles
Member since Mar 2017
428 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:22 am to
They just recently changed all boys lacrosse shoulder pads to include a special pad over the heart to protect against this as a ball to the chest has caused this more than once.
Posted by Crimson K
Tuscaloosa
Member since Dec 2018
5821 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:40 am to
So obviously not every hit to the chest causes this condition. I have read that it has to happen at just the right moment in the cycle of the heartbeat. Are there other factors that might make it more likely to occur, such as an enlarged heart, clogged arteries, etc?

ETA: thanks for sharing some of your knowledge/expertise. With a son playing MS and soon to be HS football, it is a bit scary to have one more thing to worry about .
This post was edited on 1/3/23 at 9:08 am
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3391 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 10:47 am to
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I hope this is the case and not Aortic rupture like has been postulated.




I think (but don't know..) that if that was what happened he would not have left the field alive..

Posted by GreatPumpkin
Member since Mar 2022
2441 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 11:39 am to
How far do footballs shoulder pads extend downwards? Is the whole heart region covered? It’s been so long since I’ve worn shoulder pads that I can’t remember
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
7466 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 1:16 pm to
The typical comodo cordis case is a little league pitcher hit in the heart area by a line drive. Hamlin's tackle didn't look like that to me. The situation is terribly frightening but I've read that there's a chance of a full recovery depending on brain function after sedation is lifted.
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
7466 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 1:27 pm to
Reportedly, over 40 athletes dropped dead during sports in the last two years but not from contact. Those cases weren't comodo cordis but they were due to arrhythmias. Usually less than 6 athletes die during sports in a two year period.
Posted by FlyFishinTiger
Fayetteville,AR
Member since Mar 2021
933 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 3:50 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 3:05 am
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