Jeb Busch Lite

It has been a week

“One or the other we will get it”

*cuts his eyes to democrats knowing this will trigger them*

:lol:

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However, making the territory Russia occupies untenable, thus willing to withdraw (like Kherson) can be accomplished with said force multiplier weapons.

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If it’s untenable for Russia it would be untenable for Ukraine as well. Still wouldn’t make much sense for Russia to just give it back

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The thing is, option 1 has worked. Russia is spending more on this war than Ukraine and the west, yet Ukraine has regained most of the territory they lost at the start and have actually occupied Russia for 6+ months. We’ve given them $175 Billion on paper, but most of that was to build new factories (industrialize) so we could produce the amount of shells, and buy even more modern replacement equipment, which also helps us. Now take into account we spend $800 Billion every year on our defense, why do we do that? That’s so we can fight concurrent wars against Russia and China. For a fraction of what we spend yearly on defense, and without our troops, they’ve weakened Russia significantly which means we can then spend less on defense thus saving money. Point is, everyone here treats option 1 as a handout that we don’t benefit from, and that’s just false.

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Ukraine is running out of men

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Why can’t we just withdraw from the war? The options you listed are essentially kill Americans, spend American money or side with Russia/Trump.

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We definitely could and I think we should if option 3 doesn’t work. Maybe I should have listed that as an option, but until this past Friday it seemed far fetched

1. Keep funding the war with billions of dollars of taxpayer money. We’ve been doing this for 4 years now and it has led to Russia gaining approximately 20% of the Ukrainian territory they are targeting.

2. Realizing that option 1 hasn’t worked due to the lack of manpower on the Ukrainian side, putting American boots on the ground. This would of course lead to American casualties/heightened tensions/other world powers getting involved. Most importantly, Americans would die.

3. What Trump is attempting to do now, negotiating peace. Obviously, Russia has all of the leverage so Zelenskyy isn’t going to get everything he wants.

So my question is, what is even the argument here? What do those who “stand with Ukraine” suggest we do?

It’s customary to say a few words in front of the press before the private talks and signings actually take place. Nothing crazy, just the standard, “It’s good to be here/We look forward to our discussions” etc.

It was going that way until Zelenskyy started with verbal attacks on Putin/Russia immediately following Trump talking about the importance of diplomacy

I don’t see what they were trying to accomplish in said “set-up”.


We either get peace or the USA completely gets out of funding Ukraines war efforts, putting the entirety of the bill on Europe.

Win/Win.

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Correct

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Asking someone their opinions isn’t a meltdown. That’s a very dramatic overreaction, which makes your stance on this topic a lot more clear

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Oh, we know. The talking points are already out there.

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I mean, you can have a problem with the way it was handled, but to argue that it’s not transparent and call me names like a 3rd grader doesnt really help your argument :lol: