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re: College Football Tiers
Posted on 6/28/21 at 2:44 pm to BrotherDawg84
Posted on 6/28/21 at 2:44 pm to BrotherDawg84
If we're basing it off the last 10 years:
Tier 1 is probably Bama, Clemson and Ohio State. All 3 have finished in the top 10 at least 7 times, made it to the playoff at least 4 times, and won at least one championship.
Tier 2 is something like LSU, Oklahoma, Georgia and FSU. LSU and FSU have both one the same number of championships and FSU has actually finished in the top 10 4x to LSU's 3. Oklahoma has been to 4 playoffs and has finished in the top 10 7 times. Georgia 6. I'd probably push Oregon and Notre Dame to tier 3 along with Florida.
I'm not getting into the variables to determine tier 3 from the rest.
Boise State has one top 10 finish in the last decade they're tier 3 at BEST.
Tier 1 is probably Bama, Clemson and Ohio State. All 3 have finished in the top 10 at least 7 times, made it to the playoff at least 4 times, and won at least one championship.
Tier 2 is something like LSU, Oklahoma, Georgia and FSU. LSU and FSU have both one the same number of championships and FSU has actually finished in the top 10 4x to LSU's 3. Oklahoma has been to 4 playoffs and has finished in the top 10 7 times. Georgia 6. I'd probably push Oregon and Notre Dame to tier 3 along with Florida.
I'm not getting into the variables to determine tier 3 from the rest.
Boise State has one top 10 finish in the last decade they're tier 3 at BEST.
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Posted on 6/28/21 at 2:45 pm to BrotherDawg84
How can state be in tier 5 when they have made a bowl game for 10 straight years and they are picked in top 25 this year.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 2:48 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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How can state be in tier 5 when they have made a bowl game for 10 straight years and they are picked in top 25 this year.
Because the guy who created this shite doesn't know anything about football.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 2:50 pm to magildachunks
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I'd say LSU belongs in Tier 2 as well. More NCs than Clemson and OSU since 2000, and has maintained a consistently good program that is held back by being in the same division as the Tier 1 school.
If LSU was going 10-2 or 11-1 every year and only losing to Bama and maybe one other big game then you would have a great point.
8-5
9-3
8-4
9-4
10-3
15-0
5-5
LSU has 2 10 win seasons in the last 6 full seasons (leaving last season out). You can say they play in the SEC and I absolutely acknowledge that, but UGA has 5 of the last 6 years. LSU has really high highs but has some questionable losses most years.
LSU averages 3 losses a year over the past 6 full seasons. They won a national title and were amazing that season, but they aren't consistently competing
Posted on 6/28/21 at 2:53 pm to BrotherDawg84
Maybe Harsin should have stayed in Idaho
Posted on 6/28/21 at 2:58 pm to Buckeye06
Yeah 3 top 10 finishes in the last decade keep me from putting them on the same level as Ohio State, Clemson or Bama, who have all 2-3x as many
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 6/28/21 at 3:09 pm to magildachunks
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I'd say LSU belongs in Tier 2 as well. More NCs than Clemson and OSU since 2000, and has maintained a consistently good program that is held back by being in the same division as the Tier 1 school.
Also, beat both the Tier 2 schools for a NC as well.
LSU, in all honesty, is a great program. Being in what I call tier 3 is no slouch. With that said, I don't believe LSU belongs in tier two because of their lack of consistency compared to Clemson and OSU. Both of those schools have consistently been in the college football playoff and seriously in the discussion for the best team nearly year in and year out. LSU on the other hand has not. 2019 was an amazing season, and most certainly one of the best ever, but it was lightning in a bottle. LSU followed up one of the best seasons of all time with an abysmal 5-5 record. Before 2019, LSU struggled in its own conference division. In my opinion, that's what separates LSU from Clemson and OSU.
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And do you honestly think Clemson would be as successful a program if they were in the SEC instead of the ACC? Or would they be more akin to UGA?
No I don't, but I can't change the fact Clemson plays in the ACC and has dominated it, along with winning the playoff more than once.
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But that also depends on the timeframe we are going by. Clemson is the very definition of New Money.
In the grand scheme of things, the year 2000 isn't exactly old money. In the same time frame, Clemson has won one less national championship than LSU. In most recent future Clemson been much more consistent than LSU. It's a tough debate, but Clemson's consistency as of late puts them a step above LSU in my opinion.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 3:15 pm to BrotherDawg84
I’m still bitter to agree to Notre Dame being that high, but I also have a problem with Michigan being that low, I can’t even find FSU on there
Posted on 6/28/21 at 3:40 pm to BrotherDawg84
Not sure what Ohio state has done to get to tier 1 besides not make the playoffs or get blown out. How is A&M in tier 3 when they haven’t played in a conference championship in like 22 years?
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 6/28/21 at 3:46 pm to Nitro Express
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With that said, I don't believe LSU belongs in tier two because of their lack of consistency compared to Clemson and OSU. Both of those schools have consistently been in the college football playoff and seriously in the discussion for the best team nearly year in and year out. LSU on the other hand has not.
I see the logic, but Have you considered the fact that LSU and OSU have played in the same amount of NC games and won the same amount since 2010?
Combine that with the fact that OSU has an easier route than LSU does bc of the division and conference, and it's much closer than people want to see it as. Sure, OSU has more trips to the CFP, but that's it.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 3:52 pm to LSUdude247
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Only team in tier 1 should be Bama
Tier 2 should be:
LSU
OSU
Clemson
Oklahoma
And then the rest in the rest of the tiers.
I'm ok if Alabama is above everyone else but Clemson definitely deserves separation from all the others in Tier 2
Posted on 6/28/21 at 4:06 pm to Boomer00
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Not sure what Ohio state has done to get to tier 1 besides not make the playoffs or get blown out. How is A&M in tier 3 when they haven’t played in a conference championship in like 22 years?
Except they won a national title in the playoff era
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 6/28/21 at 4:08 pm to magildachunks
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Combine that with the fact that OSU has an easier route than LSU does bc of the division and conference, and it's much closer than people want to see it as. Sure, OSU has more trips to the CFP, but that's it.
I mean they can be close, but there can be separation. As I said above, If LSU was 11-1 or 10-2 every other year when Bama is winning the NC, then I would probably have them right there with Clemson and OSU. LSU has averaged 3 losses a year over the past 6 years, and that includes a 15-0 season
Posted on 6/28/21 at 4:20 pm to Buckeye06
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I mean they can be close, but there can be separation. As I said above, If LSU was 11-1 or 10-2 every other year when Bama is winning the NC, then I would probably have them right there with Clemson and OSU. LSU has averaged 3 losses a year over the past 6 years, and that includes a 15-0 season
Right.
LSU has 31 losses in the last 10 years to Ohio State's 16.
LSU has only 3 top 10 finishes in the last decade vs Ohio State's 8.
Only twice in the top 5 vs Ohio State's 7.
It's one thing to have an "easier path" but if you're going to claim you're on par with another program you should probably finish within 3-4 spots of them more often than not. Bama can't be your excuses for that gap every year.
Also consider that Ohio St has more drafted players, 1st rounders, 4x the CFP appearances, etc...
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 6/28/21 at 5:00 pm to DuckTalesLOL
You hope!
Posted on 6/28/21 at 5:06 pm to BrotherDawg84
Alabama should be Tier 1 by itself and it’s not even a discussion.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 5:29 pm to magildachunks
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I see the logic, but Have you considered the fact that LSU and OSU have played in the same amount of NC games and won the same amount since 2010?
Combine that with the fact that OSU has an easier route than LSU does bc of the division and conference, and it's much closer than people want to see it as. Sure, OSU has more trips to the CFP, but that's it.
Definitely see your point, and I think it's valid. For me, it's sort of the response I had for Clemson. Yes, they play in crap conference, and that GREATLY helps them, but it is what it is. Until we get some sort of realignment, the SEC will always be at a disadvantage when it comes to SOS. However, OSU has beat the teams put in front of them. It's not their fault the conference has turned to shite, but it does present an argument for folks like yourself. I definitely see both sides. The system of college football is far from perfect.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 5:54 pm to BrotherDawg84
Tiers 3&4, off the top of my head, have at least 25 NCs since
Posted on 6/28/21 at 6:42 pm to BrotherDawg84
Obviously strength of schedule doesn't factor in here.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 6:49 pm to Sput
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Tiers 3&4, off the top of my head, have at least 25 NCs since
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