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Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:19 pm to Sun God
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For reasons that need not be named.
It would be a shame if others enumerated those reasons.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:24 pm to LC412000
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viceman.....it is basically what he did at LSU also. He came in and Chancellor Emmert gave him the keys and cleared the road for him. Hard to argue with the results of him running the show.
yeah ok, LSU had been humbled at the time because of poor coaching hires, same as Bama, makes sense
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:42 pm to Vastmind
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He maximizes his success at Bama because the SEC office is staffed by a vast majority of Gumps.
Well, since there are about three UA grads there, why don't you show us your breakdown to support your assertion.
Will be patiently awaiting your response.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 12:49 am to viceman
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yeah ok, LSU had been humbled at the time because of poor coaching hires, same as Bama, makes sense
Had 2 things happened differently, it might have been possible for Saban to be coaching at A&M:
1. The stupid fricking guaranteed contract given to Franchione after a 7-5 season (2004), which included the first loss to Baylor in 20 years and the worst bowl loss in A&M history because the administration was afraid that Notre Dame would poach a coach with a 2-year record of 11-13.
2. The 9-win 2006 campaign in which the three regular season losses were by a combined 6 points. Nevermind the fact that the Holiday bowl loss was worse than the previous worst bowl loss in A&M history (31 points to Tennessee in 2004/2005, 35 points to Cal in 2006)
I'd almost add this too:
3. Had Robert Gates, who is still the 2nd greatest University President in A&M history behind Earl Rudder, not left to be President Bush's Secretary of Defense, he would have been able to tell both Bill Byrne and Mike McKinney, the idiot system chancellor that makes John Sharp look like Ronald Reagan and the man responsible for Mike Sherman being hired, to frick off and get out of his way.
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Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:37 am to LC412000
IARATS
The man would win big if the admin and alumni were committed to winning as well.
The man would win big if the admin and alumni were committed to winning as well.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 2:58 am to viceman
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I don't believe Alabama wins because they are Alabama, I believe they win because they have the best players, and I believe the reason they have the best players is because they hired the best recruiter.
Many teams have had roster's full of excellent players over the decades. Those teams are usually very successful also.
Then there is Saban level success, which is rare. He instills in players the virtues that he learned as a child.
Determination, consistency, work ethic, the whole not concentrating on the outcome but just doing your job and doing it flawlessly and not caring, to an extent, about winning or losing.
Hiring psychologists to speak to the players, controlling every aspect of the program to ensure everything is up to his level, attention to even the most tedious of details, etc...
It's the whole thing along with his excellent abilities as a coach, his depth of knowledge of defensive schemes, hiring the very best assistants he can get and demanding all they have to give, etc...
It's not just the players; it's the whole situation. These are some of the reasons he can never be duplicated just by getting good players; it's a little more to it than that.
To be as successful as Saban, as a coach, you don't just copy his playbook and match him player for player. You have to change your whole life, how you live, how you think, how you do things and think about things as a coach.
If it was just as easy as having good players, Kirby Smart would be a successful coach.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 6:16 am to CtrlAltDel
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If it was just as easy as having good players, Kirby Smart would be a successful coach.
The guy’s basic point still remains, though. The current Bama dynasty is due to Saban, not Bama being Bama. Whether that’s players, philosophy, schemes, etc. It’s all still Saban.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 6:22 am to Globetrotter747
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The guy’s basic point still remains, though. The current Bama dynasty is due to Saban, not Bama being Bama. Whether that’s players, philosophy, schemes, etc. It’s all still Saban.
Most Bama don't argue that fact, but some want to contribute everything Bama has accomplished historically to last 11 years. We've had multiple national championship coaches prior to Saban.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 6:42 am to Globetrotter747
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The guy’s basic point still remains, though. The current Bama dynasty is due to Saban, not Bama being Bama. Whether that’s players, philosophy, schemes, etc. It’s all still Saban.
There is also a culture of college football dedication, among citizens of the state, that goes back to the 20's when Bama opened up the rest of the nation to the idea that Southern football was relevant.
Football isn't sneered at or dismissed at Alabama, as it is at some colleges. It is king and being the king is good.
Bear Bryant for many of the exact same reasons Saban has had success did good at Alabama too. And Thomas. And Wade. And Stallings. And Scott.
All it takes is an above average coach and the support of the Alabama machine and things start to mesh.
So, no, it isn't all just the coach or the players. It's a lot of things combined that have allowed Alabama to hit the jackpot over and over and over and over and over and over again down through the decades.
Your statement of:
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The current Bama dynasty is due to Saban, not Bama being Bama.
is not thought out well, in my opinion. Knute Rockne could have coached at Alabama and been a complete failure if he had no support for alumni, fans, staff, and administration of the school.
But, that has always been there at Alabama, that support and that desire by the whole organism, all facets of it.
This post was edited on 10/30/19 at 6:45 am
Posted on 10/30/19 at 6:42 am to BrerTiger
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It would be a shame if others enumerated those reasons.
Yeah, and quite a few of them were false, but water under the bridge now. It also led to Coach Saban coming to Alabama, so there is that.....
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:10 am to CtrlAltDel
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is not thought out well, in my opinion.
Bama’s dedicated culture helps... but Saban was on a trajectory to do the same thing at LSU. Saban never leaves LSU and I doubt Bama has a single title this decade and probably just one since the ‘70s.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:17 am to Sun God
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Saban would have been a nightmare at A&M
So would Bear Bryant, John Chavis, Jimbo Fisher, etc.
OH WAIT, none of those coaches have done shite at A&M
Posted on 10/30/19 at 12:42 pm to LSUgrad08112
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So would Bear Bryant, John Chavis, Jimbo Fisher, etc.
OH WAIT, none of those coaches have done shite at A&M
Bear Bryant went undefeated in 1956 (9-0-1) and was 8-0 right before announcing he was leaving for Alabama in 1957.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 4:17 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Wow he must’ve won nearly as many national championships as he did at Alabama in that case, right?
How many national championships did he win at A&M again?
Also,
at you bragging about an 8-0 start to an 8-3 season where y’all played no one until the final 3 games of the season. Such a loser fanbase
How many national championships did he win at A&M again?
Also,
at you bragging about an 8-0 start to an 8-3 season where y’all played no one until the final 3 games of the season. Such a loser fanbaseThis post was edited on 10/30/19 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 10/30/19 at 5:29 pm to LSUgrad08112
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Wow he must’ve won nearly as many national championships as he did at Alabama in that case, right?
Bryant's last three seasons at A&M
24-5-2, 1 conference title, 3 top 15 finishes, 2 top 10 finishes, 1 top 5 finish.
Bryant's first three seasons at Alabama
20-7-5, 0 conference titles, 2 top 15 finished, 1 top 10 finish
He didn't win his first national title with Alabama until year 4.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 5:49 pm to LC412000
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but would have retired to Lake Lanier with 3-4 NC trophies and rings. I think the lake house would have been a deterrent for his continued success.
He's up at Lake Burton BTW and have no idea why it would be a "deterrent" to anything. Multiple coaches have lake homes
and Saban also has another at Lake Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 5:55 pm to CtrlAltDel
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is not thought out well, in my opinion. Knute Rockne could have coached at Alabama and been a complete failure if he had no support for alumni, fans, staff, and administration of the school.
Exactly.What other school would fork over all that money plus give him cart blanche for all that support staff? It was pretty much unheard of back in 2007
Posted on 10/30/19 at 6:13 pm to Globetrotter747
He never had back to back 10 win seasons at LSU.. He's had nothing but 10 or more win seasons at Alabama since 2008.
So I'm not so sure he does what he's done at anyplace else..
Alabama is Alabama. When the administration gets out of the way..with the right guy running the show.. Look out!
The only 2 coaches with 6 National Championships coached at the same University...thats not an accident. Not to mention the other 3 coaches that won at least 1 , Thomas and Wade had multiple titles themselves.
Saban is the best coach in America, he's also got the best job. At least when it comes to winning..
Those are the historical facts and they are indisputable.
Only 1 coach since Wallace Wade has failed to not have at least one 10 win season.
Hell..Mike Shula did it, Bill Curry and Mike Dubose won SEC championships.
Deal with it
So I'm not so sure he does what he's done at anyplace else..
Alabama is Alabama. When the administration gets out of the way..with the right guy running the show.. Look out!
The only 2 coaches with 6 National Championships coached at the same University...thats not an accident. Not to mention the other 3 coaches that won at least 1 , Thomas and Wade had multiple titles themselves.
Saban is the best coach in America, he's also got the best job. At least when it comes to winning..
Those are the historical facts and they are indisputable.
Only 1 coach since Wallace Wade has failed to not have at least one 10 win season.
Hell..Mike Shula did it, Bill Curry and Mike Dubose won SEC championships.
Deal with it
This post was edited on 10/30/19 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 10/30/19 at 8:22 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
How’d his first 3 seasons at A&M go? Like what the frick is your point? He was at A&M for a longer time period than it took him to win a natty at Bama. There’s no metric where his A&M tenure was comparable to his Bama tenure, as much as you wish there was.
This post was edited on 10/30/19 at 8:23 pm
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