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Coach Saban at other SEC schools.........your thoughts?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:49 pm
Playing off Four three forty’s thread regarding Coach Saban, I want to go in a different direction. What are your thoughts on Coach Saban at another SEC team after he left Miami? How much success do you think he would have had at:
Auburn – I think his success would have been the same as his time at LSU. Would have had seasons with 3-4 losses, but then would have caught fire and won a couple of NC.
Arkansas – Tough recruiting area, but with the money and fan support up that way, again I think a few 3-4 loss seasons, but would have captured at least 1 NC once the machine started rolling
Mississippi – Could have been interesting dynamics in play here. Could Coach Saban overcome the racial stigma within the university to bring in recruits from throughout the country? If he had stayed long enough, I believe he would have brought at least one NC to The Grove.
Mississippi State – Smaller recruiting base and lack of a national presence would have made it difficult for him. Coach Mullen was able to bring a #1 ranking to Starkville, so no reason to think Coach Saban could not have done the same. Might have been difficult to maintain though.
Texas A&M – In the western division of the SEC, this is the place he could have had a major impact on the national landscape. He would have cherry picked the state of Texas while dipping into Louisiana, Oklahoma and California. I think he could have easily matched what he has built in Tuscaloosa and probably even surpassed it.
Florida – along with Texas A&M, Coach Saban would have quickly laid out a framework to capture the state. He would have caused the programs at Florida State and Miami to basically implode as he brought all the Florida talent to Gainesville. It would have been reminiscent of Miami under their coaches when they built a fence around Miami, but Coach Saban would have built it around the entire state. I think he matches what he built at Alabama.
Georgia – It would have taken a few years like it did at LSU, but he would again have captured a valuable state in recruiting talent while dipping into other states. I don’t think he matches what he has done at Alabama, but would have retired to Lake Lanier with 3-4 NC trophies and rings. I think the lake house would have been a deterrent for his continued success.
South Carolina – I am unsure about the talent base in the state, but he could have easily matched what the Clemson coach has done. I am not sure the university would be interested in the needed investment like what was made at Alabama and LSU during Coach Saban’s time there. I am undecided if he could have won a NC in Columbia.
Tennessee – Based upon their history, I could see another Alabama juggernaut in Knoxville if Coach Saban had ended up here. The program has had the history of pulling in recruits from the entire country and I think Coach Saban would have thrived in Knoxville. Like with Georgia, 3-4 NC was a distinct possibility.
Kentucky – It would have taken him a few years to get the program in the direction he wanted because of the lack of a recruiting base. But, once he put his stamp on the program, I could see him winning a NC in Lexington.
Missouri – Sort of a mixed bag of thoughts here. I don’t know if Coach Saban could build a strong enough program here to win a NC. I believe that he does win the Eastern Division a few times and maybe even gets Missouri into the playoffs, but I don’t think he could pull in the needed talent to win a NC.
Vanderbilt – I have always said it would intrigue me to see Coach Saban at Vanderbilt. I don’t think the Commodores have the facilities and recruiting base to win a NC, even with Coach Saban at the helm. But, damn it would be fun to see how far he could take the program.
Auburn – I think his success would have been the same as his time at LSU. Would have had seasons with 3-4 losses, but then would have caught fire and won a couple of NC.
Arkansas – Tough recruiting area, but with the money and fan support up that way, again I think a few 3-4 loss seasons, but would have captured at least 1 NC once the machine started rolling
Mississippi – Could have been interesting dynamics in play here. Could Coach Saban overcome the racial stigma within the university to bring in recruits from throughout the country? If he had stayed long enough, I believe he would have brought at least one NC to The Grove.
Mississippi State – Smaller recruiting base and lack of a national presence would have made it difficult for him. Coach Mullen was able to bring a #1 ranking to Starkville, so no reason to think Coach Saban could not have done the same. Might have been difficult to maintain though.
Texas A&M – In the western division of the SEC, this is the place he could have had a major impact on the national landscape. He would have cherry picked the state of Texas while dipping into Louisiana, Oklahoma and California. I think he could have easily matched what he has built in Tuscaloosa and probably even surpassed it.
Florida – along with Texas A&M, Coach Saban would have quickly laid out a framework to capture the state. He would have caused the programs at Florida State and Miami to basically implode as he brought all the Florida talent to Gainesville. It would have been reminiscent of Miami under their coaches when they built a fence around Miami, but Coach Saban would have built it around the entire state. I think he matches what he built at Alabama.
Georgia – It would have taken a few years like it did at LSU, but he would again have captured a valuable state in recruiting talent while dipping into other states. I don’t think he matches what he has done at Alabama, but would have retired to Lake Lanier with 3-4 NC trophies and rings. I think the lake house would have been a deterrent for his continued success.
South Carolina – I am unsure about the talent base in the state, but he could have easily matched what the Clemson coach has done. I am not sure the university would be interested in the needed investment like what was made at Alabama and LSU during Coach Saban’s time there. I am undecided if he could have won a NC in Columbia.
Tennessee – Based upon their history, I could see another Alabama juggernaut in Knoxville if Coach Saban had ended up here. The program has had the history of pulling in recruits from the entire country and I think Coach Saban would have thrived in Knoxville. Like with Georgia, 3-4 NC was a distinct possibility.
Kentucky – It would have taken him a few years to get the program in the direction he wanted because of the lack of a recruiting base. But, once he put his stamp on the program, I could see him winning a NC in Lexington.
Missouri – Sort of a mixed bag of thoughts here. I don’t know if Coach Saban could build a strong enough program here to win a NC. I believe that he does win the Eastern Division a few times and maybe even gets Missouri into the playoffs, but I don’t think he could pull in the needed talent to win a NC.
Vanderbilt – I have always said it would intrigue me to see Coach Saban at Vanderbilt. I don’t think the Commodores have the facilities and recruiting base to win a NC, even with Coach Saban at the helm. But, damn it would be fun to see how far he could take the program.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:54 pm to LC412000
I think his success at any of the big 6 schools would've been about the same as it was at Alabama over the last decade. Maybe less at some of the others but he would have some success there too. I don't believe Alabama wins because they are Alabama, I believe they win because they have the best players, and I believe the reason they have the best players is because they hired the best recruiter.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:57 pm to LC412000
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Texas A&M – In the western division of the SEC, this is the place he could have had a major impact on the national landscape. He would have cherry picked the state of Texas while dipping into Louisiana, Oklahoma and California. I think he could have easily matched what he has built in Tuscaloosa and probably even surpassed it.
Not in 2006. Our administration was perfectly content eating scraps left by t.u. and OU back then. Had Franchione done as poorly in 2006 as he did in 2005, he would have been fired. As it was, Fat Fran wasn't going to be fired after a 9-win season.
You forget how much of a dumpster fire our athletic department was overall from 2003-2005. Bill Byrne would NEVER allow someone like Saban to outshine him.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:58 pm to viceman
Saban would have been a nightmare at A&M
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:59 pm to LC412000
That's a lot of words but I'm assuming it's saying Saban is more successful at Bama than he would've been anywhere else save maybe Florida.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:01 pm to BrerTiger
I was thinking Texas A&M, but yes, Florida also.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:03 pm to LC412000
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I was thinking Texas A&M, but yes, Florida also.
Historical context. At the end of the 2006 season, when Saban was hired by Alabama, A&M would throw a party when a FOUR STAR player committed. It was that bad. We had an AD that skimped on football while overpaying for minor sports so he could get a raise. Also at the end of 2006, our university president had just left to become the Secretary of Defense. No one was going to overrule "Dollar Bill" Byrne. It was so bad that the phrase "dollar bill" was censored on texags.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:03 pm to BrerTiger
This post doesn’t account for the Bama SEC bias that is plan for objective people to see.
He maximizes his success at Bama because the SEC office is staffed by a vast majority of Gumps.
He maximizes his success at Bama because the SEC office is staffed by a vast majority of Gumps.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:05 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Saban would have turned y’all around immediately. Limited the meddling of yalls power players, established his system, and would rarely have to leave the state to get the players he needed.
Interesting to think about.
Interesting to think about.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:05 pm to Sun God
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Saban would have been a nightmare at A&M
The 2006 A&M administration wouldn't pay Saban's value because he didn't "get A&M".
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:06 pm to Vastmind
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This post doesn’t account for the Bama SEC bias that is plan for objective people to see.
He maximizes his success at Bama because the SEC office is staffed by a vast majority of Gumps.
or maybe he wins more because he gets better players
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:06 pm to Sun God
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Saban would have turned y’all around immediately. Limited the meddling of yalls power players, established his system, and would rarely have to leave the state to get the players he needed.
Yes he would have...and the people running the show at A&M wouldn't have the balls to hire him.
It took the Longhorn Network for our leaderships' collective balls to finally drop.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:06 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
I get that for sure, but Saban might be the only active coach who could change yalls “culture” enough if y’all hired him
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:07 pm to Sun God
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I get that for sure, but Saban might be the only active coach who could change yalls “culture” enough if y’all hired him
Again, I agree, but in the context of when Saban was hired, A&M was still a mediocre Big 12 team.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:09 pm to viceman
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I don't believe Alabama wins because they are Alabama, I believe they win because they have the best players, and I believe the reason they have the best players is because they hired the best recruiter.
Damn. I didn’t expect any Bama fan to ever admit that.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:10 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Yes he would have...and the people running the show at A&M wouldn't have the balls to hire him.
I like this point in order to hire Saban Mal Moore had to promise him complete control of the football program. Alabama was desperate and humble enough to do that at the time. I honestly believe he would be coaching at Notre Dame or Texas right now, had they been willing to agree to these terms.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:13 pm to viceman
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or maybe he wins more because he gets better players
Bama got better players than most of the league with every coach in between Bear and Saban. For reasons that need not be named.
Add Saban to that and you've got better players than just about everyone most years. If they just execute The Process and avoid rat poison, they are nearly unbeatable.
Bama can't lose.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:14 pm to viceman
viceman.....it is basically what he did at LSU also. He came in and Chancellor Emmert gave him the keys and cleared the road for him. Hard to argue with the results of him running the show.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:15 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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A&M was still a mediocre Big 12 team.
Side note: with a coach they got from Bama.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:15 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Again, I agree, but in the context of when Saban was hired, A&M was still a mediocre Big 12 team
Yep, good point
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