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re: Clemson fan here... curious to hear your thoughts...
Posted on 8/17/21 at 6:38 pm to AllInBlitz
Posted on 8/17/21 at 6:38 pm to AllInBlitz
ACC should collude with the other conferences and refuse to schedule sec teams
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 6:38 pm to AllInBlitz
Notre dame has never been good enough. No wins in cfp or bcs title games
Posted on 8/17/21 at 6:39 pm to AllInBlitz
To actually engage with your question.....I agree with the guy that says that independents are probably going to have to find a safe haven in a conference. ND has been able to maintain their status because of the huge national fan base and that exclusive contract with NBC. It's no insult to say that neither Clemson nor any other school you can name would not be able to command that kind of deal. Texas has contemplated independent status off and on, but they've never pulled the trigger, and I suspect the main reason is that they see it's ultimately not in their interest.
I know the Big 10 and Pac 12 are in "discussions" about ways to cooperate in order to counteract the growing influence of the SEC. Is the ACC in on that action? I do know that the ACC has firm control over each team's TV rights for many years, so I don't think Clemson could up and leave even if they wanted to.
I'm an SEC fan through and through, but the game is better when there are good, even great, teams scattered all over the country and that, in any given year, a number of teams from different conferences (and not always the same 3 or 4) might have a legit shot at a natty. I'm quite frankly worried about where all this is heading.
I know the Big 10 and Pac 12 are in "discussions" about ways to cooperate in order to counteract the growing influence of the SEC. Is the ACC in on that action? I do know that the ACC has firm control over each team's TV rights for many years, so I don't think Clemson could up and leave even if they wanted to.
I'm an SEC fan through and through, but the game is better when there are good, even great, teams scattered all over the country and that, in any given year, a number of teams from different conferences (and not always the same 3 or 4) might have a legit shot at a natty. I'm quite frankly worried about where all this is heading.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 8/17/21 at 6:42 pm to AllInBlitz
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One topic we've been discussing on another board is the idea of going independent
Personally I think the the new age of CFB there should be no independents.
You are either in one of the major conferences or you are out of luck.
That applies to Clemson if they go that route but more specifically Notre Dame.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 6:42 pm to AllInBlitz
Maybe convince Ohio State and Penn state to leave their shitty conference. They're as much Atlantic Coast as Oklahoma is Southeastern.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 6:46 pm to AllInBlitz
I think the real answer will eventually be four 16 team super conferences not affiliated with the NCAA. For better or worse it'll be a quasi professional system with NIL arrangements with all sorts of sponsors and a playoff system to determine a champion. Amateurism is dead and gone (it really has been for a while. Now it's out in the open.). The big boys of college sports will go their own way.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 6:47 pm to nicholastiger
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There will be no more independents and if Irish were smart they would join acc
That's dumb as frick.
When the playoff inevitable expands to 12 teams they will be smart to remain independent as they are a shoe in every single year under that format (with even potentially 1 loss- which has kept them out previously).
Posted on 8/17/21 at 6:50 pm to Magician2
Give ND an ultimatum, they will have to take the deal. Once you do that, sit back and count your money, and get beat by an SEC team in the playoffs. Oh an get a new mascot suit for heavens sake, that’s embarrassing
Posted on 8/17/21 at 6:52 pm to AllInBlitz
Clemson is about to realize what real knuckle-drag week in and week out football is like.
#RudeAwakening
#RudeAwakening
Posted on 8/17/21 at 7:01 pm to AllInBlitz
Tiger Bait!
Posted on 8/17/21 at 7:17 pm to AllInBlitz
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why do you think no more indies? Clemson generates the most revenue for the conference. Why should it split the money with Wake, Duke, Virginia, Syracuse and others that will never compete for a title and aren't committed to being an elite football program?
ND has only gotten away with their indy status because they have a true national brand that goes beyond sports. That’s how they can get their own network TV deal. No other team in the country has that on the same scale.
Even Bama’s and Texas’ appeal is limited to sports. ND has fans who follow them for no other reason than they are Catholic. I also know several fans of other teams who support ND on the side on the basis of religion. No other program has that other than BYU, and they don’t have the size and reach that ND does.
Clemson doesn’t have religion, Bama’s long history, or UT’s size to prop them us as an independent. That’s not an insult, either. Even Texas wanted to be in a bigger conference and made it happen. Clemson is much better off cashing in on the ACC’s mediocrity the way that FSU did for many years.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 7:23 pm to AllInBlitz
The problem is going to be scheduling.
The Big 12 is either going to disappear or fade into irrelevance. None of the big conferences will take any of those teams because it's a money losing deal. None of the teams remaining increase TV contracts enough to make up for cutting an extra piece of pie. Once the revenue dries up, those teams will get weaker and will no longer be significant.
Clemson leaving the ACC will likely do the same to it.
The Pac-12 and the Big-10 are either going to make a scheduling deal or merge (The Big Pac?) So their schedules and the SEC schedules are going to be tough enough they won't want to play you.
So all you are going to get is a weak schedule of games with limited interest.
The Big 12 is either going to disappear or fade into irrelevance. None of the big conferences will take any of those teams because it's a money losing deal. None of the teams remaining increase TV contracts enough to make up for cutting an extra piece of pie. Once the revenue dries up, those teams will get weaker and will no longer be significant.
Clemson leaving the ACC will likely do the same to it.
The Pac-12 and the Big-10 are either going to make a scheduling deal or merge (The Big Pac?) So their schedules and the SEC schedules are going to be tough enough they won't want to play you.
So all you are going to get is a weak schedule of games with limited interest.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 7:24 pm to AllInBlitz
You are who you are because of those whipping boy's. Without them no more walking into second half of season then playoffs all fresh. Good and bad but I would not leave the conference your in with weak competition, doubled with a playoff comittee that will get you into playoffs every year. Wait till you can't do it anymore then something like your talking about
Posted on 8/17/21 at 7:29 pm to AllInBlitz
You own the ACC.
I think the ACC will be made bigger and better and be one of the big 4.
No major conference will be a joke.
I think the ACC will be made bigger and better and be one of the big 4.
No major conference will be a joke.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:32 pm to goatmilker
I think what gets lost in these discussions are matchups within the conference. I'm not sure what ND is worth on its own as an indy, but it's not $80 million per year. And it has some decent games throughout the season to sell to its TV partner. What makes the SEC and B1G really separate themselves is matchups. Alone Alabama is worth X amount of dollars per year, and then the SEC can say ok, now I can guarantee you this many prime time match ups with Alabama and the teams within the conference, LSU, Florida, Georgia...who are worth X amount of dollars themselves. It does this with the entire conference through its schedule and could possibly control all 3 prime slots on Saturday. This is what drives contracts. Last thing I'll say, if the SEC adds a team, they don't necessarily have to be worth what the TV payout is, they just have to get over the hump with good match ups on Saturdays.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:34 pm to ShowMeHorns
Eventually the money will be so great between conferences like the SEC and Big 10 that Notre Dame can't justify staying independent and watching other teams cash checks double what theirs is.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:14 pm to AllInBlitz
Clemson lacks the national appeal to go independent. You have a strong but small following. You would be better off just to break away from the current ACC and take all the southern ACC schools and form a new league. Call it the South Easternmost Conference.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:38 pm to AllInBlitz
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why do you think no more indies? Clemson generates the most revenue for the conference. Why should it split the money with Wake, Duke, Virginia, Syracuse and others that will never compete for a title and aren't committed to being an elite football program?
Who are you gonna play? Even ND had make cut a deal with the ACC fill out their schedule plus they're starting to add G5's to the schedule for the first time I can ever remember but I get the point about sharing your playoff and bowl revenue with the rest of the ACC
Posted on 8/17/21 at 10:52 pm to AllInBlitz
quote:Good point. Somebody on Finebaum said that if they don't play a CCG it would affect their seeding as a consideration relative to all of those other teams who did. Just one thought.
I know others have been talking about Notre Dame possibly needing to join a conference, but why? When they've been good enough, they've made the CFP. And in a world where the CFP expands to 6 or more teams, doesn't that lessen the need to be in a conference?
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