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re: Case study on punishing the SEC Champ game loser
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:43 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:43 pm to lsupride87
quote:seems to be
seriously is that y’all’s argument?
I’m inclined to believe that the conference championship games are more likely to be viewed as a quasi playoff game or a “play in” game - winner is in, loser is out
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:43 pm to DawginSC
quote:Lets see if they have the brain cells to comprehend this
Why would you say that? You have to go all the way back to... 2022... to get a scenario where the SECC title game loser would be left out of a 12 team playoff. LSU was 17th in the ranking after losing the SECCG. Before that you have 2016 (UF was 17th), 2015 (UF was 19th), 2014 (Mizzou was 16th), 2011 (UGA was 16th) and more. But if you want a similar situation to Bama this year... let's look at losing teams in the SECCG who were 6th-8th coming in. In 2006 Arkansas was 8th in the AP poll going into the SECCG. They were 12th after losing it. That's it. That's the only comparable Bama has for a team going in to the SECCG ranked 6th-8th and losing. Bama has to be at least 10th to make the playoff. 9th if Miami loses and the ACC champ is also ranked behind them. I see it more likely than not that Bama would be left out unless some of the other top 10 teams pick up losses outside of their CCG's.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:44 pm to lsupride87
I think they'll try to avoid punishing conference title loser in the 12 team era.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:46 pm to StansberryRules
Why? It’s far more egregious to do it when they did it in the 4 team era
Also in 2017 they kicked out wisky for losing their first game of the season in the conf champ game…..
That’s far far worse than punishing a team for losing its 3rd game
Also in 2017 they kicked out wisky for losing their first game of the season in the conf champ game…..
That’s far far worse than punishing a team for losing its 3rd game
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:49 pm to lsupride87
If the loser gets that 3rd loss they need to be left out.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:49 pm to lsupride87
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Did they get dropped below teams that sat idle? Yes or no?
Of course. And the loser this year will most likely drop a spot or two but will still be in the playoffs.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:50 pm to MykTide
As you pointed out auburn dropped 5 spots. That seems about right. I agree that’s about where the loser this year will fall
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:56 pm to lsupride87
We will very likely enter that game as #6 if everything else goes chalk
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:57 pm to lsupride87
So you had to go back to 2006, aka BCS era to find a similar situation to this year?
You’re proving my point for me
You’re proving my point for me
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:58 pm to bamabenny
quote:And being 11 will have you on the outside looking in
We will very likely enter that game as #6 if everything else goes chalk
A 1 loss Texas is the only sec team that can afford a conf champ game loss
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:59 pm to lsupride87
SEC fatigue has set in...there's no way the loser gets in.
If Bama goes and loses it 3rd loss will be too much especially with TN down the list and they lost a head to head. They'll fall below TN
If TX loses their strenght of schedule will put them down below TN also...they would have lost to the only 2 good teams they played
If Bama goes and loses it 3rd loss will be too much especially with TN down the list and they lost a head to head. They'll fall below TN
If TX loses their strenght of schedule will put them down below TN also...they would have lost to the only 2 good teams they played
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:14 pm to Jeepin_Josh
This will be the last three years the SECCG will ever be played, so if you want that trophy you better go get it.
The loser of the SECCG will be left out every single year for the next three years and it will become obvious that teams that play a weak arse schedule have a huge advantage in the 12 team playoff.
The OP was on point, Bammers still have that lingering entitlement feeling to get over, you will get cured of that bullshite if you go lose in Atlanta this year
The loser of the SECCG will be left out every single year for the next three years and it will become obvious that teams that play a weak arse schedule have a huge advantage in the 12 team playoff.
The OP was on point, Bammers still have that lingering entitlement feeling to get over, you will get cured of that bullshite if you go lose in Atlanta this year
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:20 pm to MykTide
quote:he can't, we flat out own his irrelevant team and he doesn't like it.
Let your Bama hate go
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:21 pm to bamabenny
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So you had to go back to 2006, aka BCS era to find a similar situation to this year?
You’re proving my point for me
No... a similar situation to this year with the team in Bama's position LOSING.
We've had several years where a team ranked 6th-8th ended up winning the SECCG. If Bama wins this year then that would be comparable.
Hell, LAST year was one of those years. Bama was 8th going in.
And the reality is that had they lost, they likely would have been outside of the top 10.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:23 pm to StansberryRules
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I think they'll try to avoid punishing conference title loser in the 12 team era.
Zero reason to think this.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:32 pm to MykTide
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Auburn was dropped to 7th. They would still be in had it been 12 teams. Let your Bama hate go.
Tennessee is only out of the SECCG because of tie-breakers but they’re a 2-loss SEC team ranked #11. For the sake of argument, let’s say they were in the SECCG based on the tie-breaker. If they lost the SECCG, they’d drop outside the top 12. No question about it
Hell, A&M is in the SECCG with a win against Texas. They’d prob enter the SECCG ranked around #10 with that win. If they lose their 3rd game in the SECCG, they’re likely out of the CFP
Indiana is going to prove this year playing a weak schedule is the best path to the CFP and our SEC presidents are going to start wondering why they wanted to keep expanding with good teams
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:33 pm to lsupride87
What a dumb thread. 
Posted on 11/20/24 at 12:37 am to djsdawg
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Zero reason to think this.
In the 2 and 4 team era, a losing conference title team was mostly in danger of getting jumped by a different conference champions, like Georgia last year.
In a 12 team era there are always gonna be like 4-5 non championship game participants sitting there waiting to jump multiple title game losers. The entire thing will look like a complete face if multiple conference title losers drop and get jumped by teams that didn't even play.
The fact the bubble is down at 10-12 rather than 4-6 just sort changes the dynamics imo. But we will definitely see this year.
Id prefer the committee just make an official rule about it so teams don't have to dread what should be an accomplishment
Posted on 11/20/24 at 12:50 am to StansberryRules
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Id prefer the committee just make an official rule about it so teams don't have to dread what should be an accomplishment
Would be good, but they do not want that rule. They use all games to evaluate teams.
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The entire thing will look like a complete face if multiple conference title losers drop and get jumped by teams that didn't even play.
Its already clearly a farce. They dont seem to care. They never cared about it with 4 teams, and going to 12 doesnt make them care anymore.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:51 am to lsupride87
You can’t compare a 4 team playoff with a 12 team playoff. Not even in same stratosphere.
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