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re: Brian Kelly reminds me a lot of Mark Richt
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:36 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:36 am to WG_Dawg
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With Miles he had 2 loses including the last game of the regular season. He needed 2 major upsets on the final day of the season to jump from 7th to 2nd. Taht has nothing to do with les miles and everything to do with pure, dumb, astronomically unlikely luck.
You're skipping the part where Virginia Tech was considered for the title game but got mauled by LSU early in the season.
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with an OC whose star shown so brightly so quickly that is essentially blinded the universe
He kinda did that to himself by sucking in the NFL. Multiple sources have said that Ensminger was the OC and Brady just assisted with playcalling.
You know, since Ensminger actually had the title of OC.
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Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:36 am to WG_Dawg
I mean no other university has had their last 3 separate coaches win national championships.
If that's just luck, no one else is that lucky.
If that's just luck, no one else is that lucky.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:39 am to SidewalkTiger
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I mean no other university has had their last 3 separate coaches win national championships.
yoyu can flip a coin 50 times and it be heads 50 in a row, that means literally nothing regaridng that 51st flip.
Saying Kelly will win it all just because the 2 buffoons before him did is simply illogical. Orgeron's wasn't luck by the way, and I've never said as such.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:40 am to wadewilson
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You're skipping the part where Virginia Tech was considered for the title game but got mauled by LSU early in the season.
that doesn't really change that LSu had 2 losses. You're flat out lying to yourself if you don't think LSU as lucky as all hell to make the title game that year. And you'll notice, I've never once claimed that they shouldn't have. Based on the facts as they were at the time, they should have made it. But them being the best choice at the time deosn't negate how lucky they were. Those things can coexist.
I mean if in any given year you were told a team would lose twice including the last regular season game but still make the national title, I'm pretty sure your first thought woudl be "wtf? How?"
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:41 am to WG_Dawg
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Saying Kelly will win it all just because the 2 buffoons before him did is simply illogical.
Possibly.
I tend to think Kelly will win it because he is capable of building a good program and LSU itself brings a lot to the table as far as resources.
They should both be able to elevate the other.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:42 am to WG_Dawg
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Saying Kelly will win it all just because the 2 buffoons before him did is simply illogical. Orgeron's wasn't luck by the way, and I've never said as such.
No, you're just using anything you can to discredit LSU.
The last 4 coaches have taken LSU to 7 SEC title games and 4 national championships. That's a pattern. No reason to think the next 8-9 seasons won't see more of the same.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:44 am to WG_Dawg
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You're flat out lying to yourself if you don't think LSU as lucky as all hell to make the title game that year.
But you're singling out LSU when a boatload of teams lost games that they shouldn't have. LSU just happened to lose that game in the last week.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:45 am to wadewilson
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No, you're just using anything you can to discredit LSU.
Discredit? Why don't you go abck a page and read the words I've actually typed. I've lcaimed 1)oregeron's title was perfectly earned zero doubt about it, and 2) in 2007 they were the most logical choice to make the title game after CCG weekend and woudln't suggest anyone else to go above them. If you think that's "discrediting" lsu then you've simply got P&G glasses on and are looking for something to be upset about
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. That's a pattern. No reason to think the next 8-9 seasons won't see more of the same.
Yes, a big boy football school like LSU has a pattern of wnning a lot of games. Nobody is saying otherwise. My entire point is that it's no guarantee Kelly will win a title, SIMPLY based on "well gee I mean if miles and orgeron did then kelly will too".
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:46 am to WG_Dawg
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Yes, a big boy football school like LSU has a pattern of wnning a lot of games. Nobody is saying otherwise. My entire point is that it's no guarantee Kelly will win a title, SIMPLY based on "well gee I mean if miles and orgeron did then kelly will too".
Fair enough.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:47 am to wadewilson
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you're singling out LSU
because that is literally the topic of the conversation we're currently having. If you'd like to start a new conversation about teams that got really lucky I'd happily contribute to that one too
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:48 am to wadewilson
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Polian was the ST coach at ND. I don't know how good their unit was, but there was almost complete turnover at special teams positions.
Maybe the turnover had more to do with it. When we played ND, it seemed their ST was solid, but maybe not better than average. Not bad, just not real good, if that makes sense.
quote:That's actually some really good qualities to have, too. Just got to keep those guys in positions that don't hurt you. Coley was a really good recruiter, but was pretty lackluster as an OC for us.
He was really good at talent evaluation, scouting, recruiting.
Thanks for not getting upset. I realize I said some things that could/would have upset some people. They were not meant to belittle Kelly or LSU.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:48 am to WG_Dawg
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My entire point is that it's no guarantee Kelly will win a title, SIMPLY based on "well gee I mean if miles and orgeron did then kelly will too".
There's no actual guarantee of anything.
There's no guarantee that Saban or Kirby ever win another title, if we're being honest.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:49 am to SemperFiDawg
Slightly unrelated.
‘Member those Kirby Smart = Richt threads. Those were fun.
‘Member those Kirby Smart = Richt threads. Those were fun.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:57 am to DawgsLife
Yeah, special teams were a disaster for us. Single handedly lost the FSU game, and turned Tennessee and Georgia into blowouts when we should have competed better. Those games are still losses anyway, but you kinda lose any hope when you fumble opening kickoffs that lead directly to the opponent scoring.
Kelly's probably never going to earn the reputation as an elite recruiter, but that's okay. He seems to recognize that deficiency and has focused on hiring assistants that are both good at coaching and recruiting. It also helps that he comes to LSU at this time, with the transfer portal changing recruiting. He still has to build the core of this team through high school recruiting, but he'll get the chance to bring in elite talent every year that he missed out on the year prior.
Kelly's probably never going to earn the reputation as an elite recruiter, but that's okay. He seems to recognize that deficiency and has focused on hiring assistants that are both good at coaching and recruiting. It also helps that he comes to LSU at this time, with the transfer portal changing recruiting. He still has to build the core of this team through high school recruiting, but he'll get the chance to bring in elite talent every year that he missed out on the year prior.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:28 pm to SemperFiDawg
I don't remember Richt having any smooth dance moves.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:39 pm to SemperFiDawg
PLEASE! Old Grinder isn’t fit to hold Marks jock strap.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 3:50 pm to bayou85
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Sounds like Les. Les lucked up into a Natty chance.
No doubt he did
Posted on 7/25/23 at 3:52 pm to shinerfan
Mark wasn’t interested in grinding on teenage recruits. He danced with his wife not young boys
Posted on 7/25/23 at 6:54 pm to LARancher1991
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LSU is known for playing to the level of their opponent. I understand maybe you haven't been a fan for very long but this has been the case since at least the mid-90s with the exception of maybe a few years.
Our championships say otherwise. I’m just smart enough to realize that what happened 30 years ago days nothing about a program.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 7/25/23 at 10:31 pm to WG_Dawg
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Richt has come closer to winning a natty thatn kelly has.
Can you direct me to the time when a Mark Richt coached team played for a national championship? I don't remember that happening. Ugly as it was, Kelly had a team do so.
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