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re: Brian Kelly reminds me a lot of Mark Richt

Posted on 7/25/23 at 10:52 pm to
Posted by Othello
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Posted on 7/25/23 at 10:52 pm to
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But you're singling out LSU when a boatload of teams lost games that they shouldn't have. LSU just happened to lose that game in the last week.


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But you're singling out LSU when a boatload of teams lost games that they shouldn't have. LSU just happened to lose that game in the last week.




LSU almost lost to Arkan3too and easily coukd have if Jefferson was healthy. Not only that, but instead of going with the backup who had some experience, Pittman started the third-stringer who was basically a glorified WR.

BK has to prove that he can win the games he's supposed to and play better in home games that aren't at night to avoid a disaster like the Tennessee game.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 7/25/23 at 10:54 pm to
Well, Richt was in a very weak East. So, he had that going for him.

Which is good
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:00 pm to
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LSU almost lost to Arkan3too and easily coukd have if Jefferson was healthy. Not only that, but instead of going with the backup who had some experience, Pittman started the third-stringer who was basically a glorified WR.

BK has to prove that he can win the games he's supposed to and play better in home games that aren't at night to avoid a disaster like the Tennessee game


Do you know what year we were talking about?

Because I'm talking about 2007, and you're talking 2022, a game in which LSU had fewer than 70 players available, and those were recovering from the flu.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
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Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 12:01 am to
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LSU almost lost to Arkan3too and easily coukd have if Jefferson was healthy. Not only that, but instead of going with the backup who had some experience, Pittman started the third-stringer who was basically a glorified WR.

BK has to prove that he can win the games he's supposed to and play better in home games that aren't at night to avoid a disaster like the Tennessee game.


Saban nearly lost to Texas and A&M with their backup quarterbacks as well.

Guess he's washed.
Posted by SemperFiDawg
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 7:20 am to
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in 2007 they were the most logical choice to make the title game after CCG weekend and woudln't suggest anyone else to go above them.


I vehemently disagree. If memory serves me correctly LSU who had been the media darling to play in the CG lost their last regular season game to Ark. They had also dropped an earlier game to UK. The following week Pitt upset WVA and Missouri lost to OU. Those three upsets given their timing should have allowed UGA to move up in the polls and play OSU in the CG. As soon as LSU beat UT in the SECCG, Herbstreit and ESPN began lobbying pollsters for LSU (again, their season long pick) to play in the CG under the pretense UGA should not be allowed to play in the CG because they had not even won their conference. The Polls listened and the next day when the polls came out LSU had jumped UGA and went on to play OSU and beat them easily in the CG and UGA went on to completely embarrass Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl. The hypocrisy of the media picking the CG contestants went on full display the following year or the year after when ESPN lobbied for another team (maybe Bama, OU or OSU I can't recall) to play in the CG despite that team NOT having won it's conference either. That's why I'm glad I've lived long enough to see the playoff that will start next year. It may not be perfect, but it all but removes the media's influence in who get's to go to the last dance which has been an issue since ......well as long as I've been alive and I'm pushing 60.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 7:41 am
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 7:22 am to
You're saying a 10-2 team who didn't win the SEC should've gone over the 11-2 SEC champ? Who also demolished 11-2 VT OOC?
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 7:38 am to
A one year sample size is a bit lazy. Give us his history
Posted by SemperFiDawg
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:00 am to
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In 2011, Alabama was selected to play LSU in a rematch between the two programs despite losing the earlier matchup and not winning their division, let alone their conference.


LINK
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:02 am to
You just made my point. Notice how Bama wasn't selected over LSU to play in the title game.
Posted by SemperFiDawg
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:09 am to
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Before "Championship Saturday", LSU was ranked No. 7 and Georgia was No. 4. However, after No. 1 Missouri and No. 2 West Virginia lost, LSU was catapulted to No. 2 based on a 21–14 win over No. 14 Tennessee in the SEC Championship Game. Many argued that the Bulldogs should not play for the national title because they didn't play for—let alone win—the SEC Championship. ESPN's Kirk Herbstreit served as point man for the attack on the Bulldogs, ironically one year after pleading for an Ohio State-Michigan rematch after the Wolverines failed to win their conference.[39

LINK

Gotta love Herbstreit
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:26 am to
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SemperFiDawg




You think a loss to 6-6 USCe and blowout loss to Tenner (The team that won UGA’s division) should have placed them in the BCSCG over the SEC champ?

You’re delusional.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:53 am to
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I vehemently disagree. If memory serves me correctly LSU who had been the media darling to play in the CG lost their last regular season game to Ark. They had also dropped an earlier game to UK. The following week Pitt upset WVA and Missouri lost to OU. Those three upsets given their timing should have allowed UGA to move up in the polls and play OSU in the CG. As soon as LSU beat UT in the SECCG, Herbstreit and ESPN began lobbying pollsters for LSU (again, their season long pick) to play in the CG under the pretense UGA should not be allowed to play in the CG because they had not even won their conference. The Polls listened and the next day when the polls came out LSU had jumped UGA and went on to play OSU and beat them easily in the CG and UGA went on to completely embarrass Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl. The hypocrisy of the media picking the CG contestants went on full display the following year or the year after when ESPN lobbied for another team (maybe Bama, OU or OSU I can't recall) to play in the CG despite that team NOT having won it's conference either. That's why I'm glad I've lived long enough to see the playoff that will start next year. It may not be perfect, but it all but removes the media's influence in who get's to go to the last dance which has been an issue since ......well as long as I've been alive and I'm pushing 60.


Who should've went over LSU?
Posted by SemperFiDawg
Member since Sep 2014
2286 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:05 am to
LSU lost to KY (3-5 conference record) and Ark (4-4 conference record)

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You think a loss to 6-6 USCe and blowout loss to Tenner (The team that won UGA’s division) should have placed them in the BCSCG over the SEC champ?


Only if it's customary when the teams directly ahead of you lose, you move up. Like I said, and the larger point, the BCS and the systems before it were flawed by media driven agendas.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 9:17 am
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:11 am to
So you really think a 10-2 SEC team who didn't even play in the SEC title game, got blown out by 4 loss Tenner, and lost at home to a SCar team who didn't even go bowling should've gone over the 11-2 SEC champ who also beat 11-2 VT 49-7 OOC.
Posted by SemperFiDawg
Member since Sep 2014
2286 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:15 am to
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LSU was ranked No. 7 and Georgia was No. 4. However, after No. 1 Missouri and No. 2 West Virginia lost, LSU was catapulted to No. 2 based on a 21–14 win over No. 14 Tennessee in the SEC Championship Game


I think OSU was number 3. With 1 and 2 losing, I would argue 3 and 4 move up to 1 and 2, instead LSU leapfrogged UGA from #7 to become #2. That's quite a jump. I probably wouldn't have taken it so personally if prior to that ESPN hadn't spent the week outlined the case for UGA making it into the BCSCG given the perfect storm of events. Then the perfect storm happened and Herbstreit and the crew started lobbying for LSU literally during the closing minutes of the SECCG. Justified or unjustified it still stings.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 9:16 am
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53523 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:23 am to
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I think OSU was number 3. With 1 and 2 losing, I would argue 3 and 4 move up to 1 and 2, instead LSU leapfrogged UGA from #7 to become #2. That's quite a jump. I probably wouldn't have taken it so personally if prior to that ESPN hadn't spent the week outlined the case for UGA making it into the BCSCG given the perfect storm of events. Then the perfect storm happened and Herbstreit and the crew started lobbying for LSU literally during the closing minutes of the SECCG. Justified or unjustified it still stings.


It's delusional to believe Georgia should've moved up because they were sitting at home while LSU was out winning the SEC (with their backup quarterback) by beating a team that had beaten Georgia.


Posted by LSUgrad88
Member since Jun 2009
6869 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:37 am to
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under the pretense UGA should not be allowed to play in the CG because they had not even won their conference.
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That would be because Georgia didn't even win their DIVISION in the conference. They were beaten out of the east by Tennessee, which makes them, at best, third in the conference that year. But you are arguing they should have been in the National Championship game. In a word, ridiculous.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44339 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:16 am to
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LSU lost to KY (3-5 conference record) and Ark (4-4 conference record)


Won the SEC.

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Only if it's customary when the teams directly ahead of you lose, you move up. Like I said, and the larger point, the BCS and the systems before it were flawed by media driven agendas.


So LSU actually making and winning the SEC shouldn’t have jumped them over a team that didn’t win, nor make, the title game?

Again, you’re delusional.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44339 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:17 am to
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LSU leapfrogged UGA from #7 to become #2. That's quite a jump


That was the perk of making, and winning, the conference title game.

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Justified or unjustified it still stings


It was perfectly justified. UGA should have won the division.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 10:18 am
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:17 am to
And beating 11-2 Virginia Tech 49-7.
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